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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($15.65)
MP ($81)
CO ($111.14)
Hero ($127.62)
SB ($189.09)
BB ($64.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4.5, SB calls $4, BB calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50.

Flop: ($18) , , (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $17.1, CO calls $17.10, Hero calls $17.10, SB folds.

Turn: ($69.30) (3 players)
BB bets $21, CO raises to $42, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $111.30
I think i shoulda shove the flop but as played like this do i have the odds to just call the turn?


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You play NL100 and don't even know you have odds to call the turn ?
You got great odds there, 21 $ for 130 $ or about 6,5 to 1.
Good enough to call a flush draw with overcards, even if you're up against a set here.


erob60
Joined: 08.03.2007

3 players in the pot, $42 to call, BB could also raise behind...not quite so clean cut.


So what if BB raises ? He's got not enough to make a full minbet raise...
So even if he raises allin, CO won't be able to repush if you just call :)

I mislooked a bit yea, thought he bet out and got minraised ...
Still, the call seems good to me for the reason stated above.

In the worst case, it will be 45 $ to call in a threeway pot, but with another 50 $ of implied odds ...


You play NL100 and don't even know you have odds to call the turn ?

Actually today i had my first session on nl100.
I would call 21$ without much thinking but CO miniraised to 42$ so he killed my odds.


Yea, I appologize, I misread it and reacted too fast *Japanese humble bow down*

So, let's see where you stand without reading.
It's pretty certain that if you call, BB will call too as he's pot committed (he'll raise allin)
That makes the total potsize almost 190 $ (three times stack short BB)
That required a 44 $ investment from you or giving you 4,3:1 odds

It's worse than that if there's a slight chance BB won't push his last 24 $, it's better than that if you think that CO will give you at least some implied odds.

Tough one :)


I don't think you have good implied odds to chase your flush because one player is already all-in and if there comes 3rd club on river, usually the other guy just check/folds if you push him (you won't bluff him since there's a showdown anyway). I wouldn't really count A/Q as outs anymore and 9/3 of clubs doesn't seem very good cards for river to come either. This way played I would just fold it on turn.

Personally I propably would've pushed on flop though (or bet ~65$ and call a push). depends a bit from villains.


Cojack123
Joined: 28.08.2006

There are a lot possible hand combinations here are a few:
You could write down every combination
compare them with reads, judge about the % of this combination.

I took 5 ;) for an example

BU has a draw, CO a set
Bu trash, Co set

Bu Pair, Co 2 pair

BU set, Co draw
Bu pair, Co pair

Bu Pair, Co 2 pair is "my" average middle
so i make the odds vs this hand.

We have 20% to win vs this 2 hands

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1) we call
Pot/to Call –>ans +1 –> 1/ans —>x100

190/44, ans +1 = 5,3 , 1/5,3 --> 18,8 % / - imp odds, + reverse imp odds (

2)but if CO repushs we have

240/ (44 + 48) +1 = 6 , 1/6 --> 16%

Call > Push
if our (imp odds - reverse ips) are more than 2,8% of (190+44)

So call if we think [Bu Pair, Co 2 pair] is the avarage combination we are faced with.


Cojack123
Joined: 28.08.2006

crazy there must be some mistakes in my last post
because i fold this vs unkown

ok i found it:
Bu Pair, Co 2 pair is "my" average middle

if we are vs a set combo we are more crushed than
when we are crushing

so we have to find a EV average ?

ok i found a way if you are down in the session call else fold.
You gain/lose not that much if you are able to decide what is right her.


On the flop i knew BB is weak when he donked but when CO called i was like hmmm lets just call and see what turn brings. When CO miniraised on the turn i put him on set or str8 thats why i folded.

Luckily river was a blank :)


Thorsten77
Joined: 28.05.2006

I think a call is fine: assuming we have 9 Outs, we need ~4:1. 42$ to pay means we need a 42*4= 168$ pot. Assuming BB calls (he's getting infinite pot odds), we have a 154$ pot and only need less than 20$ implieds. I think CO will often make a crying call as the pot is that large.