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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

just saw part 5 of podcast coaching of veriz:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/20771/

good thing I bought HM2 via pokerstrategy for only $25 _cool:


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Yeah, it's damn cheap! Whatever limit you playing you can still buy it.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

sure is cheap!! even cheaper in € _cool:

now how to use HM2 and what configuration to choose :f_confused:

links HM2:

http://hm2faq.holdemmanager.com/


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

4. - Do the homework:

Question 1: Post a hand for evaluation where you have based your decisions on the stats of your opponents. (Post your hand in the Hand evaluation board, and provide a link to your hand in your private thread.)

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Question 2: Evaluate one of the hands submitted by other members. (Choose a hand from the Hand evaluation board and post your own evaluation in the thread. Post a link to the hand you have evaluated in your private thread. You can evaluate as many hands as you want, but try to choose hands not yet evaluated by other users first.)

Evaluated Sikac hand:
AQo 12.04.

Question 3: Consider the following situation:

$10 NL Hold'em (7-handed)

Stacks & Stats:
UTG ($10)
MP ($8)
MP2 ($9)
CO ($10)
Hero($10)
SB ($10) (17/13/2.6/24/1212) [VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]
BB ($10) (27/9/2.0/29/333) [VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]

Preflop: Hero is BU with 6 :diamond: , 7 :diamond:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.20) 3 :diamond: , 3 :heart: , T :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.20) J :diamond: (3 players)
SB bets $1.00, BB calls $1.00, Hero...

What action would you take, and why?

any x :diamond: y :diamond: hand would have semi-bluffed on the flop and made hands like 3x or Tx would have bet for protection.

On the Turn looks like SB has hit his J (Jx hand), I think BB is either very weak with an Ax hand or he has already made hand like small pp (22,44,55,66,77,88); I think that we can safely assume we have the best hand on the Turn and that we should raise/broke for protection here

Question 4: Consider the following situation:

$10 NL Hold'em (8-handed)

Stacks & Stats
UTG ($8)
MP ($10)
MP2 ($9)
MP3 ($6)
Hero ($10)
BU ($10) (25/21/3.8/26/1250) [VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]
SB ($10)
BB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J :heart: , J :spade:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BU 3-bets to $1.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.30

Flop: ($2.75) 6 :heart: , 9 :spade: , T :club: (2 players)
Hero...

What action would you take, and why?

Looks like BU is a good player and since we don't have any stats on Hero (steal%), we must assume BU isolates with a broader range since he will be ip the rest of the hand

I put BU on a wide isolation range:
22+, A2s+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A8o+, KJo+, QJo, JTo (21.27%)

preflop equity:
Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 66.651 % 66.164 % 0.972 % 32.863 % JsJh
Player 2: 33.349 % 32.863 % 0.972 % 66.164 % 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A8o+, KJo+, QJo, JTo

flop: 6 :heart: 9 :spade: T :club:

postflop equity:
Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 67.817 % 67.370 % 0.894 % 31.736 % JsJh
Player 2: 32.183 % 31.736 % 0.894 % 67.370 % 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A8o+, KJo+, QJo, JTo

This means we could check/raise-broke on this board against BU range.

If BU would be tighter like 12/10 and you're pretty sure his 3 bets are for value, i would put him on another range:
JJ+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo (5,73%)

our equity would go down:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 57.728 % 56.958 % 1.540 % 41.502 % JsJh
Player 2: 42.272 % 41.502 % 1.540 % 56.958 % JJ+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo

We could still check-raise for balancing, but I think against a nitty BU I would find a fold if he goes all-in on our check/raise


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Good job! Homework #5 Done!

Haven't really used yet HM2 that much so can't advice you much or what do you mean by configuration?

About Task #3
It's a very close decision: does protection or pot control weigh heavier here? Do you want to protect against hands like 3x or A:dx and K:dx? Or do you want to control the pot size and try to induce a bluff on the river in case there is no T, no J and no additional ?

Raise/fold is out of question - with the given pot size and the good made hand you have, it can't even be considered.

In case you decide to go broke, you can't really be blamed either. It's not a sign of weakness that the rather tight small blind decides to bet into two people here, though. I would say a call is to be slightly favored, while the many outs against you are annoying. The big blind who calls rather loosely speaks in favor of a raise/broke again. Both options are finally considered equal, which shows - all things considered - how close and full of variance these spots really are.

About Task #4
You've called pre-flop and then hit a good board. You basically have two choices now: either you assume that your opponent will go broke loosely or puts you on a bluff often and you thus check/raise - or you play check/call in the spirit of way ahead / way behind. The problem with the latter is that there are a lot of cards you don't want to see in the later course of the hand. All in all, it depends on your balancing as both lines make sense under certain circumstances.

A check/fold would be really pointless, of course. It's hard to say whether you should donk-bet here; donk/fold can be discarded as that would turn your hand into a pure bluff and your opponent would interpret this as weakness and start raising you out of flops with hands like AK/AQ/air. So, if you want to donk-bet, it has to be a donk/3-bet.

Good luck on tables and with the Course.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

Hi Veriz,
I saw your podcast coaching on stats, can you double check my conclusions??

my conclusions about stats:

Full ring NL cash games:

VPIP/PFR
NIT: vpip=6-8, PFR=4-6
Tight: vpip=12, PFR=10
Loose: vpip=25+, PFR=6
Good Reg: vpip=14-21, PFR=11-16
Optimal Reg: vpip=18-21, PFR=14-16

AF
Passive Player: AF=0-1
Normal Player: AF=1.1-3
Aggressive Player: AF=3+
Good Reg: AF=3-4
Optimal Reg: AF =3.6-4

3Bet%
Low <3%
Normal 3-6%
High >10%
Good Reg: 3-6%
Optimal Reg: 5-6%

WTSD%
<20% goes to showdown with strong hands
>30% we are against a loose opponent

W$SD
>60 tells us that he usually has a very strong hand
<45 may easily have weaker hands

Steal
26-46 is a good range, preferrable from button against nits/tights in blinds
39-46 good win rate, but needs good postflop play

Flop cbet%
55-83 normal cbet percentage on the flop
74-83 good win rate, but needs good postflop play


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Hello rogervieri,

Yeah, seems to be realistic but I wouldn't just follow the stats but rather your own game. :) You have to get your game going from the tight style and then adjust accordingly.

Also the CB of 83 might be too much, usually I'd keep it near 75 max but 83 ain't wrong either dependent on the style you play and how good you are on further streets.

Best Regards.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

back from holidays!! Spain was very nice!!

Read the same poker-book...twice...cover to cover (hint for next year: bring more books )

I read The Poker Mindset by Ian Taylor & Matthew Hilger

This is the correct Poker mindset:
1. Understand and Accept the Realities of Poker (luck vs skill)
2. Play for the Long Term
3. Emphasize Correct Decisions over Making Money
4. Desensitize Yourself to Money
5. Leave Your Ego at the Door
6. Remove All Emotion from Decisions
7. Dedicate Yourself to a Continuous Cycle of Analysis and Improvement

These are the Six Truths of Poker Intuition:
1. Actions and reactions are only tenuously linked.
2. Setting short-term monetary goals is counter-productive.
3. Average is not an acceptable standard in poker.
4. Risk neutrality is the only acceptable attitude to risk.
5. Greed is good.
6. Clear logical thought is required.

Spurious regression
Spurious regression is a statistical term that describes how two unrelated variables appear to be related.
For example, you may notice that one dealer tends to deal you better cards than another,
when in fact, the cards from both dealers are entirely random and you are merely noticing short-term statistical noise.

The Biggest Mistake in Poker
Good bankroll management is one of the most important skills you will learn when playing poker.
In fact, poor bankroll management could be considered the biggest mistake in poker.
1. Bankroll management is simply the practice of ensuring that you have enough money to play poker for the long term.
2. It is not only the actual risk of losing your bankroll, but also the fear of losing your bankroll that we need to contend with.
3. If the fear of going broke is preying on your mind, then this is likely to lead to bad decisions at the table.

Levels of Thinking
When playing a poker hand, there are a number of different levels on which you can think, each more involved and complex than the last.
Level 0 - What hand do you have?
Level 1 - What hand might your opponent have?
Level 2 - What does your opponent think you have?
Level 3 - What does your opponent think that you think he has?

Playing good poker demands a certain way of tackling problems that you would be well advised to adopt in the rest of your life.
Some commonly cited examples are:
1. Using risk/reward analysis to analyze complex problems
2. Eliminating irrelevant variables
3. Choosing your opportunities carefully
4. Exploiting an edge aggressively when one has has been identified
5. Taking full responsibility for your own life.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

just saw the podcast part6 of Veriz

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/19560/


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

Do the homework:

Question 1: Post a hand for evaluation where you have either a) freeplay, b) slowplay, or c) multi-way pot situation. (Post your hand in the Hand evaluation board, and provide a link to your hand in your private thread.)

---create link--- (will edit post later)

Question 2: Evaluate one of the hands submitted by other members. (Choose a hand from the Hand evaluation board and post your own evaluation in the thread. Post a link to the hand you have evaluated in your private thread. You can evaluate as many hands as you want, but try to choose hands not yet evaluated by other users first.)

AKo 062012

Question 3: Consider the following situation:

$25 NL Hold'em (10 handed)

Stacks & Stats
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25) rock
UTG+2 ($25)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($25) LAG
MP3 ($25) maniac
CO ($25)
Hero BU ($25)
SB ($25)
BB ($25) calling station

Preflop: Hero is BU with Q :heart: , J :heart:
5 folds, MP3 raises $1.00, CO calls $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, 1 fold, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.10) 3 :heart: , J :club: , A :diamond: (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.10) Q :club: (4 players)
BB bets $2.05, 2 folds, Hero...?

What action would you take, and why?

First of all: in this multiway pot, it's difficult to put all the villains on a range, since they could all be calling with some random garbage and you really can't exclude any hand from their ranges.

The only one, we could possibly put on some sort of range is MP3, since he is the original raiser. We'll give him a first-in range of around 14%, the rest on any 2:

ranges:
MP3: 22+, ATs+, AJo+, KTs+, KJo+, QTs+, 87s+
CO: any2
BB: any2
Hero: Q :heart: J :heart: , but our perceived range will be wider in the eyes of villains, this makes it harder to bluff our opponents out of the pot

personality:
MP3 is tagged as a maniac, so we've seen him do some crazy shit before; if he gets a piece of the flop, he'll bet it
CO has no tag, so we'll be careful with him...without any further reads, we will give him some respect if he raises
BB is tagged as a callingstation, so this means we have seen him go to Showdown with strong but also a lot of medium to extremely average hands, if he bets we should be on red alert, if we hit a hand we'll bet for value, if we don't hit, we'll check it down to the SD

equity:
Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player mp3: 33.622 % 32.995 % 1.253 % 65.752 % 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KJo+
Player co: 10.539 % 9.899 % 1.280 % 88.821 % random
Player hero: 31.039 % 30.935 % 0.209 % 68.856 % QhJh
Player BB: 24.800 % 24.682 % 0.236 % 75.082 % random

after the flop of 3 :heart: J :club: A :diamond:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 35.516 % 34.871 % 1.291 % 63.837 % 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KJo+
Player 2: 11.210 % 10.980 % 0.460 % 88.559 % random
Player 3: 42.064 % 41.258 % 1.614 % 57.128 % QhJh
Player 4: 11.210 % 10.980 % 0.460 % 88.559 % random

We would expect for the maniac MP3 to make at least make a C-bet, but because he doesn't, he basically is giving up this pot.

turn: Q :club:

However, suddenly our extremely passive callingstation BB is betting into 3 opponents on the turn! if that doesn't show strength, I don't know what does

we quickly loose the maniac & the unknown CO, who both quickly fold, now action is on hero and we have 2 pair.

What could BB have? he's normally extremely passive, but now he's betting, guess he must have a made hand:
33, JJ, QQ & AA, AJ, A3, AQ, QJ, Q3, J3, KT

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 26.863 % 23.249 % 7.228 % 69.523 % QhJh
Player 2: 73.137 % 69.523 % 7.228 % 23.249 % AA, QQ-JJ, 33, AQs-AJs, A3s, KTs, QJs, Q3s, J3s, AQo-AJo, A3o, KTo, QJo, Q3o, J3o

let's assume that even a callingstation would bet if he would hold a set, so let's exclude the pp's, which he would have bet on the flop.

I think the only logical hands villain would play like this are AQ, QJ en KT.
he bets 1/2 pot $2.05 in $4.10, we need to pay $2.05 to win $6.15, which is 3:1

against AQ: 2 outs (J :diamond: J :spade:)
against QJ: we split the pot
against KT: 4 outs (J :diamond: J :spade: Q :diamond: Q :spade: )

2 outs we need 22,5:1 pot odds
4 outs we need 11:1 pot odds

also in terms of equity, we are way behind, pot odds 3:1 = 25 equity%

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 12.500 % 6.250 % 12.500 % 81.250 % QhJh
Player 2: 87.500 % 81.250 % 12.500 % 6.250 % AQs-AJs, KTs, QJs, AQo-AJo, KTo, QJo

we have only 12.5%

This means we need to fold our 2 pair hand, too bad, nice hand :f_biggrin:


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Good Job! Homework #6 Done!

Great to have you back. :) How did you enjoy Spain? The content you wrote down is also very good and hopefully it will help you to memorize it.

About Question #3:
Two lines can quickly be discarded here: fold and raise/fold; your hand is simply too strong for those alternatives.

It's hard to assess whether you should put in a raise here. When a rather passive player decides to bet into three players while being out of position, it does look strong. It's more likely an indication of a made hand than that of a draw.

A raise naturally protects, but you run the risk of isolating yourself against very strong range. Which weaker hands could your opponent possibly continue playing here?

The deciding factor finally comes in the size of the pot. This tiny pot simply isn't worth putting yourself into a tough spot where you could potentially end up risking your entire stack. A raise would be overplayed here and pot control takes the precedent over protection.

Best of Luck on the tables and with the Course.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

Hi Veriz!

Yes Spain was very nice, I actually very much miss the nice temperature

May I ask you a question about the homework? I'm a bit lost on your advice: would you fold this hand or not? of would you call for pot control?
I don't like calling the Turn, because I don't like to call a big river bet when the river is a blank, or is that too nitty??

thanks for your clarification!!

roger


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Yeah, Spain is great with the temperature, was there myself in Gibraltar last year. Now planning to move there and maybe even stay for some time and grind poker.

Pot controlling would be my idea on the turn and keep his range wide and decide on the river what to do, cause I assume if he shoves or picking any fancy lines we are most likely behind, he wont shove anything worse than 2pairs.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

I thought I was following the beginner course, but the SH articles are silver+ :f_cry:

continued towards the video's and watched the video from Yersh

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/16384/


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by rogervieri
I thought I was following the beginner course, but the SH articles are silver+ :f_cry:

continued towards the video's and watched the video from Yersh

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/16384/

Yeah, I guess you will have to play tracked at some point. At least as a beginner I would definitely try to do it cause it's very useful content which PokerStrategy provides, you wont find any better.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

just watched the freebee NL1000 with insyder19

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/15550/

SH is a lot more loose/action than FR, I need to get into it.
Maybe some grinding this month to become silver again and read the articles


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by rogervieri
just watched the freebee NL1000 with insyder19

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/15550/

SH is a lot more loose/action than FR, I need to get into it.
Maybe some grinding this month to become silver again and read the articles

You don't even have to grind a lot, just 1point per day you get already +10 points.

And yes, SH is a lot looser and more action on the tables which also means bigger variance.


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

watched 2 video's from Gamblewhitme from the Dutch-community, he talks (in dutch) about the differences between FR and SH, and how to deal with the differences

part1
http://nl.pokerstrategy.com/video/22861/

part2
http://nl.pokerstrategy.com/video/23430/


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rogervieri
Joined: 09.12.2010

just saw podcast part7 from Veriz

http://de.pokerstrategy.com/video/20977/

Very interesting video!

I was hoping that the beginning was a big longer, I mean the part about the hand-discussion in the beginning about bet-sizing & squeezing. I thought it was very interesting and it was unfortunate that not many spots concerning betsizing & squeezing came up at the tables at the 6 max

preflop: 4xbb + 1xbb per limper
Squeeze: 3x raise + 1x raise for each caller
postflop:
Flop: 2/3 to 4/5 pot
Turn: 2/3 to 4/5 pot
River: 1/3 to 1/2 pot max for value betting


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by rogervieri
just saw podcast part7 from Veriz

http://de.pokerstrategy.com/video/20977/

Very interesting video!

I was hoping that the beginning was a big longer, I mean the part about the hand-discussion in the beginning about bet-sizing & squeezing. I thought it was very interesting and it was unfortunate that not many spots concerning betsizing & squeezing came up at the tables at the 6 max

preflop: 4xbb + 1xbb per limper
Squeeze: 3x raise + 1x raise for each caller
postflop:
Flop: 2/3 to 4/5 pot
Turn: 2/3 to 4/5 pot
River: 1/3 to 1/2 pot max for value betting

Yep, those Bet sizes are very reasonable, sometimes we might even do different ones, especially if we are either deep or vs small stack.


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