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NL100 J8o, river betsize w/ nutstraight?

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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
BB ($126)
UTG ($117)
Hero ($221)
BTN ($161)

Dealt to Hero J♠ 8♣

UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $3.50

FLOP ($10.50) 2♥ 9♠ T♦

UTG checks, Hero bets $6.50, UTG calls $6.50

TURN ($23.50) 2♥ 9♠ T♦ 7♥

UTG checks, Hero bets $17, UTG calls $17

RIVER ($57.50) 2♥ 9♠ T♦ 7♥ 6♦

UTG checks, Hero bets $17.50, UTG calls $17.50

villain: 36/15/1/25 - 500 hands.

What is a good betsize here aginst this fish? I thought between two options as I was playing the hand. Either go for this fairly small bet targeting all twopair (and even worse, as it turned out..) or an overbet to put him all, targeting all straights (that would be a $90 bet).

The smaller bet could also has some merits in that it might induce some silly bluff from time to time, and straights might raise anyway and I can just call or come over the top if wont put me all in. Downside with the small bet might be that he is very passive and hence unlikely to even raise a onecard straight?

What do you guys think? Any other good options, or any input to my thoughtprocess?


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DailyDollarPro
Joined: 11.07.2011

I think you need to bet BIG in these spots. Villain is a fish, and fish gonna fish!

You have to bet at least 90% pot, and could even overbet something like $67.89 to look more like a bluff.

By stats and actions villain is passive, therefore not likely to try and bluff raise you. He will call the big bet with all straights, likely all sets and most two pairs. If he is really stationy he might even call 1 pair hands!


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

Fish is fish, well yeah, but often times I find that these boards (i.e where a straight or flush hits) scares them a lot. But maybe I could bet slightly better after all as I will be up against a lot of twopairs in this spot which I guess will have a hard time folding here.

So in hindsight I would probably have made it around 1/2 pot


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

if fish calls 17.50 otr he's calling 26.50 too. Whenever we are in spots like this and you want to target a certain part of his range and bet small, just get to you amount and click a few more bbs, every bb counts :) In this specific spot I'd just bet like 35 and hope he calls with all of his bluffcatchers )


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

That sounds very reasonable, especially now that he called me with 95s, 2nd pair that is ;)


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

:)


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

#everybbcounts


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DailyDollarPro
Joined: 11.07.2011

I use timing tells a lot to gauge these spots against fish.

On the turn:

Villain snap calls - Either a bluff catcher or a draw, bet about 1/2 pot to get paid, 3/4 pot to bluff him off (assuming draws didn't get there).

Villain calls normally - This is usually something he doesn't want to fold (good pair or med two pair), bet big for value (3/4+ pot), be cautious about bluffing.

Villain tank calls - This can be a bit polarised between weak bluff catchers and strong hands that he is thinking about raising. Bet small with nutted hands to get paid by weak pairs or to induce a raise from second nuts. Only need to bet half pot as a bluff.


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