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Originally posted by BlueZizou18
If I was playing a strong, experienced player with good game knowledge then raising with say K 10 under the gun wouldn't be a good move for him and he would become nervous but if a weak player did this they wouldn't think it was bad play and therefore they don't think it's bluffing,

I don't get it.
Who is raising KT UTG?
Why on earth would anyone raise UTG with KT and how would this make others nervous?
No Limit right?


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Originally posted by BlueZizou18
What do you mean by TAG?

Improvise meaning adjust depending on my opponent.

I haven't read any books and until I work out how to win at least 50% of the time at the casino then I don't intend to.

Tight means Tight-Aggresive.
Why the hell would you improvise? You just said your opponents are too random to adjust.


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That's an example of the type of play that takes place. No Limit yes.

Since I've been playing at my local casino I can honestly say I've never had a definite read on anyone in roughly 30 games of poker.


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I adjust to them whereas if I was playing against a stong player I would use my fundamentals.

I do play TAG but this method kinda relys on good hands and that's my dilemma...how to play fishes when I'm not getting good hands? As I say, they're hard to read and therefore hard to bluff.


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Think of it this way.
Every time a player makes a moves like this (assuming you are heads up on the flop) and your range is 99+,AJs+,KQs,AKo; you have a 71% equity. It's good for you that your opponents are so loose.

You can outplay them with minimal skill.


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Originally posted by BlueZizou18
I adjust to them whereas if I was playing against a stong player I would use my fundamentals.

I do play TAG but this method kinda relys on good hands and that's my dilemma...how to play fishes when I'm not getting good hands? As I say, they're hard to read and therefore hard to bluff.

Playing marginal hands vs Fishes == _cry:


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Sure but because they have very little base and fundamentals it's hard to get a read and it basically comes down to my instinct. My decisions rely on instinct and I'm never gonna succeed playing like this or certainly not consistently anyway.


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I only play marginal hands but as I say if I'm getting very few of these, this is when I struggle and then it leads to tilt and ends up with a push with something like A 10.

If I got a good amount of good hands I'd be in the money everytime but then do would we all.

I think I'd be better off playing better players which is strange but true.

Hopefully, on Monday, when I'm next playing live, my instinct with that all desired luck will pay off.


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Buckanuck
Joined: 02.12.2011

Honestly I find it best to just stick to a TAG strategy even when you aren't getting the hands. Being card dead happens, I treat it as a test of patience. I find as soon as I get impatient and limp in with JQ from MP I get into tough situations where I'm forced to guess whether or not my middle pair is going to beat my opponent. And of course losing this kind of hand will make you question your play and possibly tilt.
You're playing live therefore you have time to wait (compared to turbo/hyper-turbo online) for a playable hand in your TAG range.
As said play ABC poker and stick to it.


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TAG and ABC it is! Thanks guys.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by BlueZizou18
I only play marginal hands but as I say if I'm getting very few of these, this is when I struggle and then it leads to tilt and ends up with a push with something like A 10.

If I got a good amount of good hands I'd be in the money everytime but then do would we all.

I think I'd be better off playing better players which is strange but true.

Hopefully, on Monday, when I'm next playing live, my instinct with that all desired luck will pay off.

Hi, BlueZizou18
I see you're still a "basic" member.
I strongly suggest you get to at least Bronze -- all you need to to is pass a quiz.
At that point a host of articles and videos become available to you.

It may seem like it is easier to play better players, but if they're better than you, then you are likely to be 2nd best far too often.

You may have the better instinct, luck is the same for everyone in the long run, and PokerStrategy.com has the knowledge.

Go For it!
I suggest starting here:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-training/

--VS


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Ok mate. Send me the link for quiz. That link wasn't the quiz I don't think.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Here is the link that gives details of the quiz etc:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/free-poker-bankroll/

At the bottom of that page is a link to some more information about getting started moving up in status at PokerStrategy.com

Good Luck!
--VS


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Hello guys.

In currently playing on PokerStars in two tournaments but my Internet connection keeps going off about every 10-20 minutes and I have to wait about 1 minute each time for it to come back on. If I get further on in the competition as in heads up will I be disqualified?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

your hands will continue to be dealt, and folded.
You won't be disqualified, but it will decimate your stack pretty fast.

Good Luck!


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Ok mate, good.

Does anyone else find when they're doing well they get good hands and when they're doing badly they get bad hands. I'm a true believer of this!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by BlueZizou18
Ok mate, good.

Does anyone else find when they're doing well they get good hands and when they're doing badly they get bad hands. I'm a true believer of this!

Exact opposite for me.
I run good for several hundred hands, then suddenly everything goes stinko.

If I'm near-dead in a tournament, and go awwww wtf and shove crap utg I flop a boat and win.

Later,
--VS


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Originally posted by BlueZizou18
Ok mate. See this is the dilemma, what you're saying I've actually already been doing, trying to play hands as much as possible, basically putting aside the essentials of poker, I.e. position and just improvising throughout the hand and if I'm not lucky (which I very rarely am) I find myself on tilt.

So, adapting and playing ABC and lack of luck=tilt & playing the essentials to proper poker=useless play because others don't play like that. Therefore in conclusion it rests mostly on luck.

I think I see part of your problem.
I don't think you want to put aside position ever.
period.
and you should not need (or want!) to improvise while playing fish.

increasing your volume does not mean playing 7 out of 10 hands you are dealt.
increasing your volume may mean playing more good hands in position.
increasing your volume does mean playing more hours, days, weeks, months, years.

if the fish is making showdown often (against other players) you will see what kind of hands he is opening (or more likely calling) with.
once you have an idea of his range, you can play more hands that play well against this range.
(mostly in position).
as the hand progresses, think about they type of hands he reaches showdown with (final hand value).
You want to be ahead of these hands.

DON'T try to beat the fish in every hand you play against him.
good players don't win most of the pots.
good players win most of the BIG pots.

if the fish is a fish, and you are a good player, you should be able to be able to build big pots when you are a solid favorite.
and, as a solid favorite, you are likely to win many of these pots.
but don't forget: even fish get dealt good cards and even fish flop (turn & river) big hands.
so don't get your whole stack in w/ 2nd pair because you've seen him get to the river w/ A high.

be patient and the fish will give you the money (given enough time/volume).
be impatient or greedy and you become the fish.


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diversfx
Joined: 24.12.2010

they are called upswings and downswings. Ie variance tonight I was dealt pocket 9's 4 times in 9 hands.might not see them again for days now.

I can think of a game were the same player was dealt AA five times in 34 hands. Odds of getting AA 1 every 200.

As to your original post, watch watch watch. Let them have the small pots in marginal hands,then play your good hands for big pots.

Basically if you want to play live poker study human nature. at the store,bar,school etc.

Some friends and I used to play a game were we would pick out a person at random and then have to make up a story based on what are impression of them was.


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