Hey Pleno1,
Good luck with your challenge.
The blog is very interesting for someone new-ish to poker and have spent a good while reading through all the comments and questions and answers and would like to say thanks 
That is all Haha.
No wait i better ask something. . .
I find it very hard to 4bet or 5bet with anything other than QQ+, would you say this is too tight for a fairy inexperienced 6max player?
Thanks.
Originally posted by stompy91
Hey Pleno1,Good luck with your challenge.
The blog is very interesting for someone new-ish to poker and have spent a good while reading through all the comments and questions and answers and would like to say thanks
That is all Haha.No wait i better ask something. . .
I find it very hard to 4bet or 5bet with anything other than QQ+, would you say this is too tight for a fairy inexperienced 6max player?
Thanks.
Hey Stompy,
This is not really a blog or progress on my challenge its more of a Q&A revolving 6MNL play, but can update people ofc.
Yeh if you are only ever going to go all in with hands like QQ/KK/AA but you are raising alot more hands then its going to be instantly profitable for all opponents to just 3bet you with 72o as you are only going to get QQ+ in. Whilst this might not be a huge issue on the micro stakes (as people wont adjust quickly vs you etc) from a game theory and approach to poker its going to be very difficult for you to progress and continuing to learn.
Vs serial 3betters one of the key adjustments is to 4bet bluff more vs them as they have a wide range.
See some of my prior posts about the maths behind different raises (3/4/5bets)
GL! ♠_cool:
Originally posted by pleno1
How is life?
Life is awesome!
Thanks a lot for the reply
Hi Pleno, great thread!
So, when a super aggresive player (preflop and postflop) raises from the button and you hold a nice hand (1010+,KJ+,AJ+) at the sb or at the bb, what do you generally do? 3bet or call ( or fold 
)? Could you please explain your thought process?
Thank you!
Thanks for your quick reply! I've been reading many of your other replies so I am trying my best not to ask a question already asked.
So to be clear about 4bet bluffing:
If we make our raise size just over 2X (like 2.2X), we have to get the opponent to fold 60% of the time assuming he 5B or folds. This means if he is 3betting 10% of hands from the BU or blinds is it profitable assuming he only plays AQs+, AKo, JJ+ (which I think is wide at NL10 where I play. It's probably only AK and QQ+). Is this correct?
But certainly 4bet bluffing someone who is in the range of 15% 3bet with any two is probably profitable right?
Finally in 3b pots:
In position: How often do you typically make a cbet (also these are usually 1/2 pot correct?), and on which boards do you look to make such a cbet?
Thanks alot for this thread!
Originally posted by acetbfish
Hi Pleno, great thread!So, when a super aggresive player (preflop and postflop) raises from the button and you hold a nice hand (1010+,KJ+,AJ+) at the sb or at the bb, what do you generally do? 3bet or call ( or fold
Thank you!
I'm unsure of Pleno's thoughts on this, but I personally call because I am often way ahead of my opponents range with these types of hands, and as long as the aggressive player is in control he may keep donating chips to you with weaker hands.
Hi pleno, awesome thread. I see you put a lot of emphasis on preflop play. I personally play mostly FR NL50 and somtimes NL100, but I find that CO-BU-blinds dinamics to be similar when all those 4 players are aggro regs. Ofc you will rarely see FR regs with BB resteal>20, which is not always the case of 6max. So sorry if I ask a question mostly related to FR, but maybe you have an opinion.
Now suppose I open in CO with something like A3s and BU 3bets. His overall 3bet is something like 5-6%, but BTN vs CO he 3bets 9-12% or higher. How often should I 4bet bluff this guy?
Going further into the problem: suppose my hand is AJo-ATs. I'm 4betting these too, because I'm not calling the 3bet OOP. Now if I 4bet bluff most small aces in that spot, some good regs will adjust and will shove a lot. My decision is trivial with A2o, but when should I decide to snap them with something like AJ? What about AQo and AQs, always go broke and consider the 4bet for value?
Same question with hands like 88-TT that have no blockers and are not always 4bet bluffs in that spot.
Same question, I am BU and villain is BB, he resteals 10-20%
The way I do it now is: I look at the guys fold to 4bet and if I see something higher than 50% in that scenario, I will 4bet bluff him. But surprise, he shoves and I have AJo and sit there like an idiot.
Originally posted by acetbfish
Hi Pleno, great thread!So, when a super aggresive player (preflop and postflop) raises from the button and you hold a nice hand (1010+,KJ+,AJ+) at the sb or at the bb, what do you generally do? 3bet or call ( or fold
Thank you!
Hey,
I wouldn't say KJ would be a good hand here as if he is SUPER aggressive he will 4bet a lot so we are going to be 3bet/folding the best hand a lot of the time, a good adjustment here would be to call hands that dominate his range but can't stand a 4bet. Although of course shoving would be fine in some spots too. If you are going to 3bet KJ it will be because you want to use it as a bluff (with blockers)
If the guy CALLS alot vs 3bets and we know he likes to defend j9s kind of hands then KJ them becomes a 3BET FOR VALUE hand.
In the sb I don't like to call as mentioned previously because my range is going to be VERY weak going forward and players are going to be able to exploit me easily. If they are a very good playing folding hands like k10 is fine, if we are in the BB and getting a good price then defending becomes more desirable.
The other good adjustment playing vs aggressive players is to WIDEN our value range, so 99 vs a guy who 3bets a lot is to 4b/call when normally we probably wouldn't do it as standard. We can even extend this to 77/88 vs even more aggressive players.
Originally posted by circoflax
Hi pleno, awesome thread. I see you put a lot of emphasis on preflop play. I personally play mostly FR NL50 and somtimes NL100, but I find that CO-BU-blinds dinamics to be similar when all those 4 players are aggro regs. Ofc you will rarely see FR regs with BB resteal>20, which is not always the case of 6max. So sorry if I ask a question mostly related to FR, but maybe you have an opinion.Now suppose I open in CO with something like A3s and BU 3bets. His overall 3bet is something like 5-6%, but BTN vs CO he 3bets 9-12% or higher. How often should I 4bet bluff this guy?
Going further into the problem: suppose my hand is AJo-ATs. I'm 4betting these too, because I'm not calling the 3bet OOP. Now if I 4bet bluff most small aces in that spot, some good regs will adjust and will shove a lot. My decision is trivial with A2o, but when should I decide to snap them with something like AJ? What about AQo and AQs, always go broke and consider the 4bet for value?
Same question with hands like 88-TT that have no blockers and are not always 4bet bluffs in that spot.
Same question, I am BU and villain is BB, he resteals 10-20%
The way I do it now is: I look at the guys fold to 4bet and if I see something higher than 50% in that scenario, I will 4bet bluff him. But surprise, he shoves and I have AJo and sit there like an idiot.
I'm struggling quite a bit with figuring out 4bet bluff ranges as well.
HOWEVER, one aspect I can help you with is your last question regarding an aggressive BB re-steal.
In these scenarios, I find it profitable to call and play in position with my value range and don't like to make as many 4bet bluffs because then I throw away my positional advantage.
Originally posted by FlashDavin
Thanks for your quick reply! I've been reading many of your other replies so I am trying my best not to ask a question already asked.So to be clear about 4bet bluffing:
If we make our raise size just over 2X (like 2.2X), we have to get the opponent to fold 60% of the time assuming he 5B or folds. This means if he is 3betting 10% of hands from the BU or blinds is it profitable assuming he only plays AQs+, AKo, JJ+ (which I think is wide at NL10 where I play. It's probably only AK and QQ+). Is this correct?
But certainly 4bet bluffing someone who is in the range of 15% 3bet with any two is probably profitable right?
Finally in 3b pots:
In position: How often do you typically make a cbet (also these are usually 1/2 pot correct?), and on which boards do you look to make such a cbet?
Thanks alot for this thread!
Hey,
Yes it maybe profitable with any 2, but I wouldn't go absolutely barmy at first. Start with some blocker hands like K10 and then gradually get more OOL until its not profitable to extend your range any wider.
Its like when a fish limps, first time we can make it 4x, if he calls next time we make it 5x, next time we make it 6x and he folds, it means we can be comfortable making it 4-5x.
Generally in 3bet pots ranges will be VERY polarised and pot to stack ratio will be super low so we can make our cbet sizings very small.
Here is a hand that I play a few days ago which shows the small bet sizing.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Player4 ($229.35) 115bb
UTG+1 Player5 ($222.20) 111bb
CO Player6 ($353.14) 177bb
BTN pleno1 ($512.07) 256bb
SB Player2 ($285.33) 143bb
BB Player3 ($181) 91bb
Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) pleno1 is BTN Q♣ J♠
2 folds, Player6 raises to $5, pleno1 raises to $18, Player2 raises to $44, 1 fold, Player6 folds, pleno1 raises to $71, Player2 calls $27
Flop: 5♠ 7♣ 5♦ ($149, 2 players)
Player2 checks, pleno1 bets $41, Player2 folds
Final Pot: $149
pleno1 wins $228.20 (net +$116.20)
Player2 lost $71
Player6 lost $5
Originally posted by circoflax
Hi pleno, awesome thread. I see you put a lot of emphasis on preflop play. I personally play mostly FR NL50 and somtimes NL100, but I find that CO-BU-blinds dinamics to be similar when all those 4 players are aggro regs. Ofc you will rarely see FR regs with BB resteal>20, which is not always the case of 6max. So sorry if I ask a question mostly related to FR, but maybe you have an opinion.Now suppose I open in CO with something like A3s and BU 3bets. His overall 3bet is something like 5-6%, but BTN vs CO he 3bets 9-12% or higher. How often should I 4bet bluff this guy?
Going further into the problem: suppose my hand is AJo-ATs. I'm 4betting these too, because I'm not calling the 3bet OOP. Now if I 4bet bluff most small aces in that spot, some good regs will adjust and will shove a lot. My decision is trivial with A2o, but when should I decide to snap them with something like AJ? What about AQo and AQs, always go broke and consider the 4bet for value?
Same question with hands like 88-TT that have no blockers and are not always 4bet bluffs in that spot.
Same question, I am BU and villain is BB, he resteals 10-20%
The way I do it now is: I look at the guys fold to 4bet and if I see something higher than 50% in that scenario, I will 4bet bluff him. But surprise, he shoves and I have AJo and sit there like an idiot.
Hi Circoflax,
I don't feel super comfortable talking about full ring or confirming that the dynamics are similar to short handed to be honest 
Yeh A3s is a good hands to be bluffing with here, I definitely think its better than a 86s kind of hand, unless if he calls. If we does call your 4bet then its super critical to make a note and then adjust the hands we 4bet in the future as A3s obviously plays REALLY bad OOP in a 4bet pot with shallow pot to stack ratio.
Having A10s/AJo in your bluffing range seems good too, you have good blockers and so far you haven't said that you expect the villain to 5bet shove. Villains who 3bet don't automatically 5bet alot, I've seen regs with MASSIVE 3bet stats who never 5bet and guys who 3bet a tonne and always spaz 5bet jam. It really is player dependent mate. Vs aggressive players adjusting and 4b/calling AQ is standard.
With hands like 99/1010 that play badly out of position with shallow pot to stack ratio 4betting ro folding is usually the best strategy. Now lets look at this, because if a good reg is folding hands like 99 but opening VERY wide in the cut off then it means that we should be 3betting him ALOT.
Basically playing out of position sucks.
POSITION + SKILL = WINNING.
That is a great coaching program 
.
I think playing zoom would satisfy many of my problems regarding poker, especially being able to put in good amounts of volume in very busy days where I can squeeze in several 15-20 min sessions.
But given all the negativity I've received against zoom I would take it on only under some good coach that is already a good winning zoom player.
I currently play regular nl 25 with some shots at nl 50, and if you see some potential in me as a future project of yours I would love to give it my best shot for several months.
Very good thread btw, I think I am going to post some questions soon in here as I have to play zoom for a few days due to some technical problems ♦.
Best of luck with your challenge.
Hey pleno, very good read so far ♦
Im currently playing NL10 SH
Wondering whether its worth the transition to zoom or not, ive tried moving to zoom before but started off back at NL2 SH Zoom, and i found that playing very loose preflop/extremely tight postflop worked, profiting alot from steals/resteals.
Any other general tips for zoom, obv its all situation but any tips for playing hands like TT/JJ/QQ/AK vs nits, set mine with the all pairs apart from AA/KK?
Do you advise an 80/20 distribution for playing/learning? When you know I play NL25 with about 5bb/100 on 40K hands.
And do you consider reading judgings as learning?
Originally posted by pleno1
2) Nice thin brag about living in NYC, wp I'll give you that one
I wouldn't really recommend play money, however if you've been out the loop for a while, playing a few hours of play money to get back into the grind mindset and get used to the software could be a great thing.
Ha yeah, it's been the best year of my life. Unfortunately due to a visa mess up by those in charge, I'm now losing my job and my accommodation in late August, have to leave the country by late september (which means leaving behind my girlfriend and friends), and will be moving back to england in to my parents house after not having lived at home since before uni. Trying to make the most of it right now in NYC, but I will be the most depressed person ever when the time comes to leave!
I figure getting back in to poker when I go home will help me take my mind of some things so that I don't become serially depressed! Might help to break up the monotony of a job search as well! I might even become good at it...
Anyway I've gone massively off topic. Time for some questions!
How many hands do you recommend playing against a villain before using hud stats to aid your game? I'm guessing the sample size can be smaller at lower limits due to lower adaptability of villains?
I always come up against fish who limp anything pre-f
I struggle playing against these guys, but they should be the easiest money. I try to isolate against them with strong pre-f hands, but I just seem to spew chips because I feel like I'm not hitting the cards. How do you recommend playing against them?
Well, my question is how do you deal with downswings and what do you generally suggest the players to do ? I heard a lot of different opinions about this. What's yours ?
Thanks.
Hello!
Maybe an out of the topic question a little bit, but here it goes as I really like your thread:
I am playing fixed limit for the moment, doing quite well at 1/2.
Should i, in your opinion , try a switch to NL, or just improve my game in FL and move up stakes!
Thanks anyway!
I find that when I 4bet preflop the villian always 5bet shoves and has AA
this is at NL2 though so maybe that is expected but I usually have JJ or QQ I can't imagine 4bet bluffing as I don't think he will fold very often
is this just micro stakes?
