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Shove a Flush with 90bb deep stack: Hero or Idiot?!

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kiromanAAKK
Joined: 08.10.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $8,000(BB) Replayer
SB ($230,830)
BB ($101,144)
UTG ($219,626)
UTG+1 ($1079,975)
UTG+2 ($822,352)
MP1 ($477,967)
MP2 ($738,809)
CO ($141,242)
Hero ($718,406)

Dealt to Hero A♣ 3♣

fold, UTG+1 calls $8,000, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $8,000, fold, BB checks

FLOP ($37,000) A♦ 9♣ 8♣

BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $24,000, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $24,000

TURN ($85,000) A♦ 9♣ 8♣ Q♣

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $48,000, UTG+1 calls $48,000

RIVER ($181,000) A♦ 9♣ 8♣ Q♣ A♠

UTG+1 bets $200,000, Hero raises to $637,406 (AI), UTG+1 calls $437,406

villain 31/6 H:51

Has Hero been a totally idiot to risk all his stack there due maybe the 5 hours long tournament, or the play may be acceptable?

In the end, there are so many hands hero is ahead and that the fish will call like many ace reg that he will not fold never, and many worst flush

Combonator Output combonator.com
Board: A :diamond: 9 :club: 8 :club: Q :club: A :spade:
Vs Hero Cards: A :club: 3 :club:

Combinations in complete range: 175 [Hero Eq: 92.57%]

[b]  Grouped[/b]:  175 combos, 100.0% [Hero Eq: 92.57%]
[b]Ungrouped[/b]:    0 combos,   0.0% [Hero Eq: 0.0%]

  [b]Group 1[/b]:  162 combos, 92.6% (92.6% total) [Hero Eq: 100.00%]
  [b]Group 2[/b]:   13 combos, 7.4% (7.4% total) [Hero Eq: 0.00%]

[b]Group 1[/b]: Hand equal or worse than hero

TT, 77-22, ATs (3), A7s (3), A6s (3), A5s (3), A4s (3), A3s-A2s,
ATo, A7o-A2o, KTs+, KTo+, QTs+, QTo+, JTs (3), JTo, T9s, 98s,
87s, 76s

[b]Group 2[/b]: Hand equal or better than hero

99-88, AcTc, A9s-A8s, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, A9o-A8o, JcTc

Hero need a 38% equity (when pushed)


Board: A♦9♣8♣ Q♣ A♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    20.80%  20.80%   0.00% { 99-88, AQs-A2s, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, 7c6c, AQo-A2o, KQo, QTo+ }
MP3    79.20%  79.20%   0.00% { Ac3c }

TY :)


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Targetme
Joined: 04.05.2009

Weird line for him to take with 99,88 or qq you have the a blocker hard to ever fold this hand I think you played it fine

edit- Oh he donked into you on the river. Although its hard to put him on a fh its even harder to get value from a worse hand so I would just call here


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Bzzz2906
Joined: 10.03.2010

Villain is a passive fish. Villain XC,XC, Donk Overbet.

Which hand can he XC,XC ?

Ax, flush draw, 9x, straight draw, TT-KK.

Which hand can he suddenly donk overbet river ?

A2-A7 : Never, ever, ever.
JTs (straight) : Yeah, why not.
Qx : No way
99-88 QQ : Absolutely
A8-A9 AQ : Indeed
KcJc, KcTc : Why not but it's more likely a XC river too.
TT-JJ KK : No


Tableau : A♦9♣8♣ Q♣ A♠
       Equity  Victoire  Égalité
MP2    79.17%    79.17%    0.00% { QQ, 99-88, AQs, A9s-A8s, JTs, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, Kc9c, AQo, A9o-A8o }
MP3    20.83%    20.83%    0.00% { Ac3c }

Oh, snap!

If i add AT, AJ and AK


Tableau : A♦9♣8♣ Q♣ A♠
       Equity  Victoire  Égalité
MP2    52.78%    52.78%    0.00% { QQ, 99-88, A8s+, JTs, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, Kc9c, A8o+ }
MP3    47.22%    47.22%    0.00% { Ac3c }

So here, your Ax is maybe not even good for calling, so I would never raise against a passive fish.

I would usually fold. There is not a lot of hands that you beat who can XC,XC and suddenly donk overbet river. It's a sign of strength, big strength.

If i had 88, I would shove because the fish has a lot of AcXc in his range and he's not going to fold.

Unless you have some reads about how he plays postflop, if he has not a big Fold v. Bet % flop and turn and somehow an aggression frequency river bigger than 30%, I think I might call. Or if he played like a donk on the river so far.
Because usually, a passive line and then suddenly a big bet, it's the nuts, nothing else.

Imo he has JcTc. That would be awesome.


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masfe
Joined: 27.01.2007

don't love the call pre-flop, it's not terrible, but i prefer a fold.

pos-flop seems alright, but i never shove the river (you're just never getting called by worse). It's a though spot, i can see myself folding here, i don't see him played a flush like this, and i don't think he's bluffing often enough for us to call here.


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

Hey Guys!

I hate really don't like the prelimp -> If you want to play your hand isoraise to 20-24k here!
Then you have initiative and can easily cbet a ton of good boards!

Honestly, I think if a passive player is now starting to donk the river like this you should imo just call -> it looks strong. Ofc you'll see trips or worse fh here sometimes!

But I think when weak players gets aggressive on this river I just call!

Greets


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