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Gavron23
Joined: 26.05.2010

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 5 players - View hand 2032713
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UTG: t285.00 9.50 BBs
CO: t300.00 10 BBs
BTN: t300.00 10 BBs
SB: t585.00 19.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t330.00 11 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q :spade: K :diamond:
1 fold, CO raises to t300, 3 folds

My questions considers the nash range and the equity in comparison to pot odds we need to call here

So nash is CO pushes 22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q8s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,ATo+,KTo+,QJo
which is around 20.7%
and we call A9s ATO 44+

Now here is thepart that confuses me
A9s = 48.85% equity
ATo = 49.56% equity
44 = 45.46% equity
KQo = 47.53 % equity

Why would a hand with worse equity be included in the nash calling range over a hand with better one (sorry if this seems basic :) )?


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good question. I don't know the answer. I am sorry!


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meepwn
Joined: 11.07.2011

You got these ranges using the holdemresources.net calculator, right?

My best guess is that the algorithm uses some approximation for easier implementation/faster calculation.

You can see for yourself:

Put some random stacks and blind levels, and then change a randomly selected stack chip by chip until his pushing or calling range changes. You can get some weird results, such as

2072 chips stacksize -> push 14%
2073 chips stacksize -> push 18.2%

So basically what Im trying to say is: this calculator gives just an approximate range.


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Gavron23
Joined: 26.05.2010

Yeah, I just send the hand from Wiz directly to Nash..
Well this sucks, because I used this method (comparing the lowest hand from the nash calling range to the pushing range equity wise) to get a better idea of the needed equity. risk premium etc. and then play around with the ranges a bit..


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plexiq
Joined: 28.12.2006

Why would a hand with worse equity be included in the nash calling range over a hand with better one (sorry if this seems basic )?

The calculator on the website uses linear ranges to allow more efficient calculation. This means the ranges are constructed using a hand-ranking during the Nash calculation, so hand selection will often be far from optimal.

If you need more accurate results, please take a look at the downloadable version. That version allows calculations with unrestricted ranges.


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