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PaPi92
Joined: 17.02.2011

Unknown.
What range would you push vs unknown?
I think, I should defend my opening range, I can`t open 35% for example and continue only with 8%.
What do you think?
Hands like pocket pairs and KJs,KTs,QJs,T9s are good for defend, because most of the opponents will 3bet/call more good Ax and pocket pairs. And for example T9s plays better than A5s or A8o vs this range.

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UTG: t5208 M = 4.04
UTG+1: t5130 M = 3.98
UTG+2: t6085 M = 4.72
MP1: t4860 M = 3.77
MP2: t9713 M = 7.53
CO: t5606 M = 4.35
BTN: t5326 M = 4.13
Hero (SB): t14408 M = 11.17
BB: t12442 M = 9.64

Pre Flop: (t1290) Hero is SB with Q :club: K :club:
7 folds, Hero raises to t1000, BB raises to t2500, Hero raises to t14348 all in, BB calls t9882 all in

Flop: (t25304) 2 :diamond: 7 :heart: 4 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t25304) J :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t25304) 8 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)


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Pr0teus
Joined: 09.12.2010

hi PaPi92,

imo vs unknown i wouldnt take this line, u still are holding almost 30bbs right?

stats and stack size in this case are very premiscous, note that u and BB are the deepest at the table, i might have folded to that 3bet with KQs, but shoving JJ+ AJ+... i think in this scenario, beeing a nitty is the best way.

this is my opinion considering the 30bbs stack cause i dont like to gamble too much on this size.
GL


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

I don't think a lot of low stakes regs have a raise/fold range at all at this stack size. I like raise/folding vs most people readless here, despite how exploitable it is (but look: we are exploiting their specific tendency here!) If they are a better player that can have a 3bet/fold range here, then KQs becomes a clear shove (or a call if they size it smaller IMO).


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Hi,

min-raise induce sometims light 3-bets. Getting all-in KQs seems better play than min-raise folding.

best regards,


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

I don't really see low stakes regs having too much of a 3b/f range here, it's a specific tendency, just like how a lot of them don't raise/fold too much with 20bb stacksizes.


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Originally posted by chenny8888
I don't really see low stakes regs having too much of a 3b/f range here, it's a specific tendency, just like how a lot of them don't raise/fold too much with 20bb stacksizes.

hot 16$ often has over 10k player pool and I think at least 50% is decent players. Hero should always have there fold equity and sometimes getting all-in ahead against KJ/KT, sometimes flipping JJ-22 and even against AJ-A2 we have 44% equity.


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PaPi92
Joined: 17.02.2011

Originally posted by Kaitz20

Originally posted by chenny8888
I don't really see low stakes regs having too much of a 3b/f range here, it's a specific tendency, just like how a lot of them don't raise/fold too much with 20bb stacksizes.

hot 16$ often has over 10k player pool and I think at least 50% is decent players. Hero should always have there fold equity and sometimes getting all-in ahead against KJ/KT, sometimes flipping JJ-22 and even against AJ-A2 we have 44% equity.

Do you think a lot players would 3b/c A2,KT,KJ? I don`t think.


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if he is 3-bet/folding small Ax hands, then it is must shove, since you fold out better hands. Some players may 3-bet/call there KJ or KTs, but even if they fold, you pick up pot and force out hands that has 33% or even more equity.
Generally because of BB stack size 12,4bb you´re not really going to get away KQs blind vs blind (unless BB is complete nit- then you can raise/fold- but that situation would rarely in turbos)
In my experience players are playing back quite a lot sb vs bb and since hero has good hand+ reasonable amount fold equity, shove is a lot better option than scare fold

best regards,


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PaPi92
Joined: 17.02.2011

I don`t say, that fold is better.
But you said even "even against AJ-A2 we have 44% equity. "
Very rarely someone will 3b/c A2 without dynamic.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

It's 23bb, he should peel IP with most of his bad Ax hands. Basically here I don't expect 3b/f enough so I will fold, but the GTO play is absolutely to shove here (or else BB has a profitable ATC 3bet).


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