Ask me anything about 6-max: pleno1's coaching thread

Originally posted by Beseventh
Yeah ! Damn good session.

I have a question. You said that improving your redline is important on nl10/nl25 and good player who are looking forward to beat those limits should focus on it. I play ABC kinda weak TAG and it's hard for me to do some moves or call IP spectacular hands. For example like you did : Call resteal Bu vs Sb with A8o IP. I would 4b/fold there what were your thoughts with this hand.

Thanks man!

We called the re-steal because we were getting such a good price, if I make it 2bb and he makes it 4.2bb then I'll call, if he 3bets a normal size like 6bb then I'll fold/4bet, when we are getting SUCH an insanely good price AND we are playing in position + ofc lots and lots of skill advantage then we shouldn't be keen to fold much.

Originally posted by mute20
After a tough session yesterday i decided to adopt your play style in the coaching. I also have moved to 6 max. I am pleasantly surprised not only am I enjoying playing more, but i am also thinking more and beating the fish into submission. I tried this style before, but it was not thought out well so i was basically breaking even. I also really enjoy your coaching and with the viewer count can see why it is one of the most watched.
♠_love:

Hi Mute <3

Thanks, the kind words are extremely appreciated.

Originally posted by pokerprons
When's the next coaching? I really wanna join live this time.

P.S.
I watched the ones u recorded and they were great! ♠_thumbsup:

As for suggestions, maybe you can get into some battles with good players and regs next time and show us how to exploit them?

Every Wednesday, 7pm in the UK, 8pm in Europe.

Thanks for the nice words. Sure, gotta find dem good regs first though ;_

Originally posted by Nejc351
I realy like the coaching a lot, realy realy usefull, lot's of new intereting spots and things explained! I joined 2 sessons so far and my game improve a lot overall, im more patient to wait for good spots and think more, not just cry and fast fold and wait for AA and then loose all stack vs 97o! I realy like that pleno talk fast and tries to explain every hand in details, maybe for the beginners its realy hard to understand what he is dooing but i think for the most of us, we just loves him wathing how to play I realy like you're style. I way playing to much ABC poker wich don't work out so good in micros (rake kills you)

I have a question about preflop allin at zoom 100bb deep, you said that TT is bottom of you're calling range against not 100bb opponent (he had 17$ and he called with 99). How about vs a regish-tight unknown guy would you 4b jam TT/JJ 100bb deep or is it better to 4b fold JJ maybe even QQ?

Thanks so much! Will try not to speak too fast for you

I said TT but it would have been super psotion specific, if I say, QQ is my range, don't just go and 4bet/call QQ from every position, its all relative and important to take everything into account.

I,E JJ bvb I'm just about OK to get it in, but UTG vs BU it completely changes, its extremely important to think about ranges and how they change dynamically with the effect of ranges.

Originally posted by gxtwo
A8o on BTN. (~10-11mins) raise/call 3bet and called 2 streets Vs small gay bets. Bluff raise river completing FD.

Do you bluff purley because of his betsizings? and do you still bluff on any non FD completing river?

Yeah, generally if somebody does something weak then I will try to punish it, it completely depends on the board texture. I wrote something in a French blog today (In English) which speaks about it.

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Je devrais raise plutot a 110 si je voulais raise, mais bon fuck quand même ^^'

€1/€2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player4 (€222.40) 111bb 35/22 fish
CO billylow (€213.55) 107bb
BTN Player1 (€200) 100bb
SB Player2 (€282.50) 141bb
BB Player3 (€95.70) 48bb 40/10

Pre-Flop: (€3, 5 players) billylow is CO 8♠ 10:spade:
Player4 raises to €6, billylow calls €6, 2 folds, Player3 calls €4

Flop: K♦ 9♠ J♦ (€19, 3 players)
Player3 checks, Player4 bets €9, billylow calls €9, Player3 folds

Turn: 4♣ (€37, 2 players)
Player4 bets €18, billylow calls €18

River: A♦ (€73, 2 players)
Player4 bets €18, billylow raises to €84, Player4 calls €66

Final Pot: €241
Player4 shows
Q♦ K♣
billylow shows
8♠ 10:spade:

Player4 wins €237.50 (net +€120.50)

Player3 lost €6
billylow lost €117

raise the flop/turn and barrel off imo , both look weak to me and we also have bd spades. River I actually expect him to b/call the river given his stats/sizing.

sorry for English.

Hello pleno, even if you were writing in chinese i would be glad to see you here pointing out some of my leaks.

Turn i think i understand why my turn play is poor easily than why the flop is bad.

Could you please tell me if i am on the right direction?

I was calling flop to let the BB come so i was able to play multi way against 2 fishes with a draw on position. Why i think i was wrong: Given UTG's sizing we can assume he will give up turn frequently, but if BB call flop with Jx, Tx+GS with the turn PSB he probably won't fold against a turn potsizie shove seeing himself commit. But if i raise flop he will be more likely to fold with thoses type of hands... and ov with his small stack it's not that interesting to invite him on the multi way.

What kind of BB would make you call flop instead of raise? (100bb deep)

River is that the raise wuo is wrong or the raise with another sizing will be acceptable?

Thanks for your time and sorry for the bad english...

traduction pour les anglophobes (et pour ceux qui arrives pas à comprendre mon style d'écriture en anglais ^^'):

Spoiler

Bonjour pleno, même si tu deais écrire en chinois, je serais heureux de te voir ici me montrer certains de mes leaks. (le boss des coachs de la plus grosse communauté passe sur mon blog pour me dire que j'suis nul, j'essaye de rattraper le coup avec de la lèche, normal)

Turn,je pense que je comprends pourquoi mon jeu est mauvais plus facilement que pourquoi le flop play est mauvais.

Pourrais-tu s'il te plaît me dire si je suis sur la bonne voie?

Je call flop pour laisser le BB venir pour avoir la posibilité de jouer contre 2 fishs IP. Pourquoi je pense que je me trompais: Compte tenu du cbet size de UTG on peut supposer qu'il va renoncer à bet turn fréquemment, mais si BB c/c Jx ou Tx + GS au flop avec le PSB tour, il ne sera probablement pas fold contre un pot size shove. Mais si je raise flop, il aura plus de chances de se coucher avec ce types de mains ... et ovb avec son petit tapis, ce n'est pas vraiment avantageux de le faire call flop vu le peu de cote implicite que ça rajoute.

Quel genre de BB vous ferait appeler flop, au lieu de soulever? (100bb de profondeur) (solide google translate)

Rivière, c'est la relance qui est incorrecte ou la relance avec une autre taille sera acceptable?

Generally, if they were weak players as well as being a fish, I would just raise flop as we have no sd value, we also 1) have a bd fd so can barrel extra turn cards and 2) can rep diamond and put on pressure, as well as obviously going for value on 8 cards. If it was a bigger sizing otf then I like calling, but vs a weak sizing otf (I always expect fish to bet bigger with 2 pair+ on such a wet flop) I think we can raise and take off (we also get value when they call once or twice and fold turn/riveR)

Ok , I see your point now , thanks for reply Pleno1 !

Opponent stats:

Opponent position:BU
Opponent stack:100bb
Hero's image: TAG
Hero's position:SB
Hero's Stats:

Your range:

Calling range : QQ+AT+ 88-JJ KQ
3bet Range : A2o/s - A9o/x K8-KJ Q8-QJ 22-77

But really I would 3b here 80% of my range since is going to be EV+ but problem is my 3b statistic will increase in eyes of regulars and they will 4b me more often right ?

I'm only at page 6 on this thread but I have a question.

How do you play from the blinds vs UTG or MP (which is a regular). What is your strategy or aproach?
- With what range do you cold call? And with what plan postflop? If there are conditions then list them if you can and say what is your adaptation for every one.
- With what range do you 3bet? And with what plan? The same for the conditions like above.

The more clear and accurate the response the better (no "etc." and stuff like that ). Thanks!

where do i go to train tomorrow 20/02 at 17:30?

Hey,

there will be a news this afternoon that you can directly click on and watch it through a stream

Has the last coaching session also been recorded on twitch? Your previous coachings were recorded on this link http://nl.twitch.tv/pokerstrategy_english/b/366387034

Something a bit different tonight

Cya in 15 mins

where is the coaching?

Vnice couching. Love the twitch stream, this stuff rly kicks joim me ass. Microgaming > no brain zoom! I see much more action there, U have some history and dynamic with players.
Also I like your notpad method, just use Ctrl + Z

Thank you very much 4 what U do.

Hi Pleno,

Great coaching, I appreciate what you are doing for the community. Keep up the good work

I have a litle range question. You often mention you tend to fold 22-55 from EP, and yesterday you openfolded all Axs from both EP and MP. I remember from the begining of the thread that you are not big fan of opening AJ from EP. However yesterday you opened KQo EP. So I was wondering if that was accidently or you have some reason to do it. I understand the concept of this Axs being dominated and OOP and I don't make profit with the lowest PP EP so not playing them makes sense to me.

I suppose their alternatives would have to be suited conectors and suited broadways for their semibluffing potential unless we are fine with having EP open range <10.

However PPs and Axs/AJo have higher equity than these so when I think about how my open range from EP should look like I keep secondguessing if A5s or 78s is better hand to open.

My question is about why you prefer over betting when attacking a weak range rather than double barreling?

Lets say you get to the turn and you are checkked to IP and you want to bluff against an identified weak range. You are showing examples of betting 2 to 3 time pot. So you have to be good very often to be profitable. Now because you are picking good spots, you get this easy.

But, if you double barrelled say 2/3 pot you risk far less. Often the hand just ends after one street. And you also get them to put money in on 1 street and then fold it on the next.

Do you think your fold equity is significantly stronger by overbetting? And do you really need that fold equity anyway? Because you are trying to get them to fold a weak range, and you want to be avoiding the stronger range anyway.

Also twitch is the nutz, the coachigns are really helpful. And it's great to have these recorded and be able to watch them later. Tahnkyou! ♦

Twitch is awesome. Missed the coaching on realtime but watched just few hours later.

I think I prefer microgame coachings over zoom, theres much more dynamics and read based play.

Here is the coaching btw:

http://www.twitch.tv/pokerstrategy_english/b/369468255

Also let us know in this thread what you prefer, Twitch or Join.me

Twitch or Join.me

I adore twitch. It's done for mass volume listeners + You make a bit of profit The only problem is that this coachings will be for basic members aswell. That's not a problem for me though.

Hey man I know this isn't strictly the right place but I know you have a lot of HU experience, can you help me out with this one.

300bbs deep live NL20 with an aggro fishy guy. Every hand so far has been 4bet.

Hero is BU w/ AcAd
Hero raises to £0.6
Villain Raises to £2.2
Hero raises to £6.1
Villain calls
FLOP AhQh9d
Villain checks
Hero bets £6.8
Villain calls £6.8
Turn Jh
Villain checks
Hero bets £12.8
Villain calls £12.8
River 3c
Villain checks
Hero bets £~35 and is all in
Villain tanks
Villain vainly attempts to level hero

How do we re level here to get the fish to call 3rd pair?