22$ Mtt - 66

Hi all,

Does he 4bet too much? If so, you should 3bet/5bet this hand. If not, you can maybe still 3bet the hand, but folding it is often a better option.

I think, we can`t play it profitable with call. Are you at the same opinion?
If he calls 3bet with wide range, 3b isn`t good option.

Hi all,

Originally posted by PaPi92
I think, we can`t play it profitable with call. Are you at the same opinion?
If he calls 3bet with wide range, 3b isn`t good option.

Agreed 2x, folding is far superior in that situation provided villain plays pretty decent postflop.

what???
folding PP 50bb deep?

WHY???? am i missing something,explain please, i'm always flating in this spot #fishobv

plus 1 to that, I am either 3betting or flatting at the very least. I am never folding pre here

Hi all,

Originally posted by TheRebuz
what???
folding PP 50bb deep?

WHY???? am i missing something,explain please, i'm always flating in this spot #fishobv

We're against a very loose opening range (bad implied odds), BB can squeeze or call, both of which make us OOP for the rest of the hand, and we generally cannot call enough other types of hands to balance our SB calling range (so villain can just cbet ATC and make a profit against us postflop). Calling from BB is very standard here, but vs CO or BU openraises we can literally have 0% coldcall range, but at least we should fold our low pocketpairs (or 3bet them).

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Originally posted by TheRebuz
what???
folding PP 50bb deep?

WHY???? am i missing something,explain please, i'm always flating in this spot #fishobv

We're against a very loose opening range (bad implied odds), BB can squeeze or call, both of which make us OOP for the rest of the hand, and we generally cannot call enough other types of hands to balance our SB calling range (so villain can just cbet ATC and make a profit against us postflop). Calling from BB is very standard here, but vs CO or BU openraises we can literally have 0% coldcall range, but at least we should fold our low pocketpairs (or 3bet them).

Hmm so u r saying we shouldnt have any calling range from SB in this spot? If thats not true...what range should we call from sb?
What range we should 3 bet from sb?

Imo i'm calling smth like 22-99/face cards) suited conectors sometimes call at-aq sometimes 3bet them
3beting like top of my range tt+ak and some suited conectors and stuff depending how.loose co and btn are and how often they call 3bet

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Originally posted by TheRebuz
what???
folding PP 50bb deep?

WHY???? am i missing something,explain please, i'm always flating in this spot #fishobv

We're against a very loose opening range (bad implied odds), BB can squeeze or call, both of which make us OOP for the rest of the hand, and we generally cannot call enough other types of hands to balance our SB calling range (so villain can just cbet ATC and make a profit against us postflop). Calling from BB is very standard here, but vs CO or BU openraises we can literally have 0% coldcall range, but at least we should fold our low pocketpairs (or 3bet them).

Hmm so u r saying we shouldnt have any calling range from SB in this spot? If thats not true...what range should we call from sb?
What range we should 3 bet from sb?

Imo i'm calling smth like 22-99/face cards) suited conectors sometimes call at-aq sometimes 3bet them
3beting like top of my range tt+ak and some suited conectors and stuff depending how.loose co and btn are and how often they call 3bet

I think we should call 77-99, AJ, AQ and sometimes AA. Because this is such a fixed and limited range (and not particularly strong), a player I respect highly reckons that having no flatcall range from the SB vs late position opens is much better. Things differ if BB is a fish, or if the LP opener is particularly bad postflop, however.

Originally posted by chenny8888

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Originally posted by TheRebuz
what???
folding PP 50bb deep?

WHY???? am i missing something,explain please, i'm always flating in this spot #fishobv

We're against a very loose opening range (bad implied odds), BB can squeeze or call, both of which make us OOP for the rest of the hand, and we generally cannot call enough other types of hands to balance our SB calling range (so villain can just cbet ATC and make a profit against us postflop). Calling from BB is very standard here, but vs CO or BU openraises we can literally have 0% coldcall range, but at least we should fold our low pocketpairs (or 3bet them).

Hmm so u r saying we shouldnt have any calling range from SB in this spot? If thats not true...what range should we call from sb?
What range we should 3 bet from sb?

Imo i'm calling smth like 22-99/face cards) suited conectors sometimes call at-aq sometimes 3bet them
3beting like top of my range tt+ak and some suited conectors and stuff depending how.loose co and btn are and how often they call 3bet

I think we should call 77-99, AJ, AQ and sometimes AA. Because this is such a fixed and limited range (and not particularly strong), a player I respect highly reckons that having no flatcall range from the SB vs late position opens is much better. Things differ if BB is a fish, or if the LP opener is particularly bad postflop, however.

So what is his plan
3 bet call off -> what range?
3 bet fold what range?
And I guess we should just fold everything that is not included in those 2 ranges

Hi,

Not at all, I 3bet suited connectors against lots of people from the SB a bunch. Those are the middling hands. They're the hands that aren't for value if villain 4bets us, yet they're "good enough" to call in this spot. However because it's such a narrow range it makes us really easy to play against postflop.

His plan (and again it's not something I do), is just 3bet and evaluate from the small blind. His belief is that 3bet/folding all of those hands (except aces of course) is actually higher EV than just calling preflop with them.