Originally posted by ZioMio
Could higher 3b in losing sessions be that you are trying to build pots to get unstuck?
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Originally posted by ErikStenqvist
Originally posted by LgWz
1. Overall I feel I'm (1) playing weak (not barreling enough) and (2) calling too much postflop.2. Shows a bad risk reward, and (could be wrong)
1. How come you've started to become more passive?
2. Since you doubt you know this is a situation that you need to work on. So make it a part of you session goal to mark these hands, post them here maybe and make that weakness into a streangth.
1. Confidence problems, probably. This reminds me of something I forgot to say. Something that happens a lot is that after I have bad results in a NL500 shot I "unlearn" how to beat NL200. Not sure if I play badly unconsciously trying to recover the money quickly or something.
2. Will do.
Yesterday was really good, I tried (so hard) not to look at results for the whole day, which I do every few minutes and surely hurts my game (it's something irrelevant that's constantly at the back of my mind).
Managed to check it only three times, at the end of each session. It's a start ♦
Stats: 22.2 17.4 7.5, EV +8 bi, actual +10 bi.
Whenever I make a learning (for uni) break I see you in the pool:D
How many hands did u play yesterday/today?
[x] played one hand against LgWz
[x] won one hand against LgWz
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When overbetting goes wrong...
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Originally posted by LgWz
Originally posted by alderfalder
you've just played a hand (30min ago or so)where you called a 3bet ip vs blinds with AJo, checkbehind 234flop. bet turned straight halfpot at turn and river (your villain had AK).
I was just sweating villain in this hand and we discussed about whether it would be good to overbet all Aces on the river.
some assumptions:
1.) You never bluff river after villain calling turn
2.) you got more 6's in your range than villainSo, when you bet river it's always a valuebet. Villain can't call anything but Ax, making it a split most of the times. Isn't it a good idea to overbet all Ax and 6x on the river to maximize the value of your 6x ?(assuming villain calls all Ax)
If he isn't calling Ax you print money^^One argument against this line could be, that you valuetown yourself against villains 6x... But I think there aren't many 6x in his range and you will still be calling if he's x/raising river.
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Hero wins $77.10 (net +$1.60)UTG+1 lost $4
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I agree, I don't like how I played it. I bet small to try to get a call from worse, but even $35 is too much and won't work as a value bet and since there will be quite a bit of Ax in villain's hand once he calls turn it doesn't work as a bluff either (in case I had a bad hand) so in hindsight it sucks imo.
Overbetting definitely seems superior. What size would you make? I think I'd like betting different sizes with 6x and Ax (85 in the pot, 213 behind). I don't think I need to be balance my sizing here unless I've been overbetting frequently. So bet bigger with Ax to make him more likely to fold chops (jamming would be too much imo, 2x pot should accomplish the same) and smaller with 6x to get called more often (1.5x pot, perhaps).
I saw your discussion about this and I thought that was a pretty cool way to avoid splitting pots. My hand is played on a SRP but I thought my range also had a lot more 6s than the villain's. I guess he thought otherwise. What do you think about this hand?
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PKR, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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BB: $542.37 (271.2 bb)
CO: $492.30 (246.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $407.95 (204 bb)
SB: $210.40 (105.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2
A
CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds
Flop: ($15) 2
3
4 (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10
Turn: ($35) 5https://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gi f" alt="" loading="lazy" /> (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $150, CO raises to $450.30 and is all-in, Hero folds
Results:
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$387.00 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 2 3 4 5 8
CO mucked and won $385.00 ($193.00 net)
Hero mucked 2 A and lost (-$192 net)
Originally posted by alderfalder
Whenever I make a learning (for uni) break I see you in the pool:D
How many hands did u play yesterday/today?[x] played one hand against LgWz
[x] won one hand against LgWz♠_cool: ♠_cool: ♠_cool:
Hah, not many. 3.5k yesterday, 1.3k today so far.
What's your sn? =p
@tfsantos no way he didn'a have a 6 imo... makes sense for him to play this way with a 6 because he'll fold a lot to a turn bet but always bet twice with an ace plus you could bluff, I'd be reaaaaaaally shocked if he bluffed you.
I think your overbet is fine btw.
Terrible NL500 shot tonight... can't even beat the fish no matter what.
Every time I do bad in NL500 I lose in 5 min what I take weeks to win down there (that's what it feels like at least).
Anyway just rambling...
Hey!
Sorry to hear that you had a hard time when taking the shot!
What is your current immediate plan from now on? How are you feeling confidence wise?
The worse you feel now is the absolute most rewarding time to take the negative emotions head on. I know it is hard to motivate yourself right now but the effort will be rewarded!
Originally posted by ErikStenqvist
Hey!Sorry to hear that you had a hard time when taking the shot!
What is your current immediate plan from now on? How are you feeling confidence wise?
The worse you feel now is the absolute most rewarding time to take the negative emotions head on. I know it is hard to motivate yourself right now but the effort will be rewarded!
Hey Erik,
Right now I'm quite ok with it, sleeping always helps. I kind of rage quit the session though haha
Confidence was kind of low right after it, but after playing nl200 again this morning I feel fine about it. Not looking at results during the session is helping tremendously and today I even managed to not look after my morning session so I have no idea how up I am.
As for my plan, I intend to keep trying NL500 as long as I have 60bi+ for it and I think games are "fishy" enough, so mostly at thursday-saturday nights and maybe sundays.
btw quickly read your mindfulness post yesterday and liked it a lot, will give more attention to it today.
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Night edit: finished 12 bi up at nl200 then 1.5 bi up at nl500 later, after losing 1.5 bi so that feels good. Not very common for me to have a great day after a bad one.
One thing NL500 is showing me strategy-wise is that I need to understand better how to fight midstackers, there are tons of them probably going for SNE and it's really annoying to frequently have 2-3 of them at the table -_-
Hey there,
how is it going? Did you manage to study more in the past days? Did you perhaps try studying first thing in the morning?
-Primož
Originally posted by Schnitzelfisch
Hey there,how is it going? Did you manage to study more in the past days? Did you perhaps try studying first thing in the morning?
-Primož
Depends on the day, I'm having a hard time studying when I'm confident on my game. So if I have a good day it's likely I'll fail to study on the next. Not sure how bad that is.
Another problem I'm having is that I think much better at night.
Hey again,
I do understand it's hard to study if you're doing good, but you probably know yourself that consistent studying is still the best way to go.
The great thing about habits is that after a month or so you can do them automatically, without thinking about them - so you won't need to think if you are confident in your game, you will just do it and steadily improve.
This way you will prevent yourself from becoming lazy and overconfident in your game.
If morning doesn't work for you, you can connect it to some other activity - every day after dinner, every day before the first session, etc. - be creative, but make sure you do it at a consistent time every single day, because it will be the easiest for you to form a habit that way.
-Primož
Very weird hand today. I can't explain why but I played it terribly bad, knew it was bad at the time but still clicked the wrong buttons. wtf
I 3bet ip with AK and 2 barrel a turned ace. River was kind bad, I knew betting would be pretty thin... couldn't decide what action was better so decided to bet. He shoved and I just couldn't fold, had awesome odds so I rationalized he could be turning something into a bluff (pretty sure he never is though) and called it off.
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@Schnitzelfisch:
I do understand it's hard to study if you're doing good, but you probably know yourself that consistent studying is the best way to go.
Always had trouble with this. I've never had to develop a study routine to do ok in school/university to do reasonably ok in classes, which made me get grades far from my potential. I think it translates to poker. I do ok but not as well as I could, don't put enough consistent effort (ie study a lot only before a hard test or when running bad/low confidence) and this behavior harms me a lot long term, not only in poker.
All that said, I do know that consistent studying is still the best way to go...
Originally posted by LgWz
Hey Erik,1.I kind of rage quit the session though haha
2.Not looking at results during the session is helping tremendously and today I even managed to not look after my morning session so I have no idea how up I am.
3.btw quickly read your mindfulness post yesterday and liked it a lot, will give more attention to it today.
1. When you have a tilty session like this do you go back and analyze it in depth to see what the red thread of tilt looked like? How it started, first signs, and how it affected you play for example?
2. Great! You can look for the urge of wanting to look at the results as an early sign of that you might be heading towards tilt. The try to do some deep breathing and bring awareness and attention to that emotion. Relax, let it be and see if it slowly starts to subside. You need to get comfortable with that situation by staying with the experience.
3. How is your own practice going? 
Cheers!
Originally posted by ErikStenqvist
Originally posted by LgWz
Hey Erik,1.I kind of rage quit the session though haha
2.Not looking at results during the session is helping tremendously and today I even managed to not look after my morning session so I have no idea how up I am.
3.btw quickly read your mindfulness post yesterday and liked it a lot, will give more attention to it today.
1. When you have a tilty session like this do you go back and analyze it in depth to see what the red thread of tilt looked like? How it started, first signs, and how it affected you play for example?
2. Great! You can look for the urge of wanting to look at the results as an early sign of that you might be heading towards tilt. The try to do some deep breathing and bring awareness and attention to that emotion. Relax, let it be and see if it slowly starts to subside. You need to get comfortable with that situation by staying with the experience.
3. How is your own practice going?
Cheers!
Hi again!
1/2. Took a while to respond because I had no idea how to explain it. Since it just happened again (hahhhh..) it might be easier to put into words.
- It starts when nothing works and specially if my red line goes down a lot - ie I get played back at a lot and I either can't do anything about it or don't know what to do.
- First sign is to get a bit anxious, I noticed I play hands faster, even moving the mouse around to fast fold faster than usual (I play zoom).
- Play is affected by being more aggressive, which just makes it worse obviously, I'll bet in bad spots and they'll have it often because well, there's a reason why some spots are bad and some are good. I also overplay value hands.
- Also affects how often I check results, right before I stopped I noticed I'm checking hem pretty much after every pot I play.
- Right now I'm extremely mad at myself for letting this happen. Even worse that it happens on the fishiest day of the week. Quitting because of tilt on such a day is completely inexcusable...
- Not sure how much this mattered if at all, but I took a small shot at NL400 normal tables in the morning and did pretty well. I notice whenever I play higher my game gets thrown off a bit, regardless if I lose or win... could be under/over confidence, perhaps?
3. Doing ok, trying to do it without using the video but it's not the same 
Originally posted by Schnitzelfisch
Hey again,I do understand it's hard to study if you're doing good, but you probably know yourself that consistent studying is still the best way to go.
The great thing about habits is that after a month or so you can do them automatically, without thinking about them - so you won't need to think if you are confident in your game, you will just do it and steadily improve.
This way you will prevent yourself from becoming lazy and overconfident in your game.
If morning doesn't work for you, you can connect it to some other activity - every day after dinner, every day before the first session, etc. - be creative, but make sure you do it at a consistent time every single day, because it will be the easiest for you to form a habit that way.
-Primož
Still not studying every day, sigh... it's about every couple days now so I guess there's some improvement. By studying I mean reviewing hands or doing some theory/math work, often backed up by a video. Other than that, I watch videos pretty often but don't use to take notes or anything.
Originally posted by LgWz
1.- First sign is to get a bit anxious, I noticed I play hands faster, even moving the mouse around to fast fold faster than usual (I play zoom).
2.- Play is affected by being more aggressive, which just makes it worse obviously, I'll bet in bad spots and they'll have it often because well, there's a reason why some spots are bad and some are good. I also overplay value hands.
3.- Also affects how often I check results, right before I stopped I noticed I'm checking hem pretty much after every pot I play.
4.- Right now I'm extremely mad at myself for letting this happen. Even worse that it happens on the fishiest day of the week. Quitting because of tilt on such a day is completely inexcusable...
5.- Not sure how much this mattered if at all, but I took a small shot at NL400 normal tables in the morning and did pretty well. I notice whenever I play higher my game gets thrown off a bit, regardless if I lose or win... could be under/over confidence, perhaps?
3. Doing ok, trying to do it without using the video but it's not the same
1. When this happens and you see the first sign. Do you try to combat it in any way? Or are you lacking any kind of strategy etc to bring your self back to your A-Game? How sure are you that it is the first sign?
2. This is also a good sign that when you see it you know you probably need to take a break.
3. Another great sign that you are tilting. This and the previous ones might be to far gone for you to be able to do something when you have already reached this point. You need to stop the train before it gets going, tilt catches too much momentum quickly for us to eave it unattended early.
4. Dude! Take a deep breath, take a step back and look at the situation. If you are right and it is "inexcusable" then the correct response would not be to beat on yourself with a stick. It would be to plant yourself hard in the ground and grind yourself back by setting up a solid strategy to prepare yourself better for next session so you don't let tilt sneak up on you. Warm-up, meditation, session goals, write out your most common signs of tilt and, make a plan for what you are supposed when the first sign, anxiousness, shows up... Time to put in the work so that we are better prepared next time. Any ideas on where to begin?
5. did you take the shot after you tilted or before?
Cheers!