NL100 ATo

I would be tempted to c/c the River.

I also expect him to raise all his monsters OTF or OTT, because so many cards could kill the action.

Dont hink you have a valueshove OTR. As played I would be inclined to c/c the River. Dont think he calls worse ever.

Originally posted by Scoob101
I would be tempted to c/c the River.

Yeah, but I thought he could have some pair+draw type of hands (JTs/J9s/QTs/87s), which would probably check back for showdown value, and try to win vs something like AK/AQ. I guess they wont call a shove very often, but I thought after his line there is close to no hands that beat me, except JJ, and maybe flop straight with QJs...

Do you barrel such a board in a 3bet pot that often with air? Your line would look very strong to me. I dont expect him to bluffcatch the River at all, as said maybe JJ. But I think he checksback JJ or worse on the River.

Originally posted by Scoob101
Do you barrel such a board in a 3bet pot that often with air? Your line would look very strong to me.

Not with air, but flushdraws, overs like X:hX:h. But you're right, generally my perceived range could be quite strong here.

Originally posted by Scoob101
But I think he checksback JJ or worse on the River.

So you'd ch/call river vs busted flushdraws mainly? Cause if I check, ch/fold seems a bit better to me, cause I dont see that many hands he could turn into bluff on the river.

Yeah, but again. I would expect him to fastplay any sets/pairs on the Turn the latest. So I dont see a lot what he could shove on the River. You also dont block any FDs. Maybe he also turns a hands like 8c7c or sth like this into bluff.

I dont know, but I see more merit in c/calling than shoving the River. No negative freeroll imo.

Hi.

Agree here that villain never has two pairs and sets. This leaves him with straights, some pairs (usually with some sort of straight draw), and flush draws, and maybe KJ/AJ.

I think pushing here is fine, with a club pushing becomes better (less likely for him to have a club himself). Besides we have the top kicker here, we can go for max value from KTs QTs JTs. bad thing here is that this is SB vs CO, which makes his preflop range tighter. If it were SB vs BU he may potentially have wider ranges including some KTo combos, which favours a push more.

I am not putting him on JJ too often so that is not really my concern. I think you can use weaker TX hands as bluff catchers, I'm inclined to think that AT is a push here especially if you know he has a low River fold to cbet and a high WTSD.

Thanks.

Why cbet flop in the first place??

Why not? There's quite a lot of value to be had. Unless you are afraid of getting raised by a well-balanced range and being put in a tough spot.

Yeah I mean this flop hits his range really good, so having here a cbet range isnt that logical.. Why not have here just x/c range therefore?

You raised some valid points.

For example if this were BB/SB/BU vs UTG/MP, I think checking makes more sense. The caller's range is heavily weighted towards 77-JJ, and AQ. This means that the caller will have sets fairly often

If this were blind vs BU, I think this board doesn't connect that well with BU's range, as compared to in the previous situation. BU should often be 4betting 99 and TT for value, so we can discount those from villain's range. BU is also going to have so many TX hands, including KT, JT, QT.

blind vs CO is closer since CO will be less likely to stack off preflop light and will not defend with so many hands.

I think check and bet are both acceptable, and depends a lot on your overall game plan as well as your expectations of the villain