AA big 109

Considering his tight , deep , and opening from UTG I would in general shove my AA pre . Besides , his opening into two short stacks on the blinds , wich indicatesa good hand that is willing to call an allin.

Considering your play just shove otf.

Originally posted by gusma
Considering your play just shove otf.

why?

Hi,

I would likely either shove or also call

Not really sure what hands you want to see on the turn, so I would shove on the flop for value. AK is never folding there and you should protect aaginst flushdraws

As played: I would call turn (shove might be also ok, but very rarely get called by worse) and I would likely call him down at any river

best regards,

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by gusma
Considering your play just shove otf.

why?

Like kaitz said , you are get called by worse like AK or even hands like AQ , QT,etc.

As played I call turn and any river bet. Do not think shove is a good ideia since you turn your AA into a bluff.

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

I would likely either shove or also call

Not really sure what hands you want to see on the turn, so I would shove on the flop for value. AK is never folding there and you should protect aaginst flushdraws

As played: I would call turn (shove might be also ok, but very rarely get called by worse) and I would likely call him down at any river

best regards,

why u think AK is not folding?
what flush draws? dont you think we get most value on that flop with just calling down?

what range u put UTG on preflop -> flop -> turn

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

I would likely either shove or also call

Not really sure what hands you want to see on the turn, so I would shove on the flop for value. AK is never folding there and you should protect aaginst flushdraws

As played: I would call turn (shove might be also ok, but very rarely get called by worse) and I would likely call him down at any river

best regards,

why u think AK is not folding?
what flush draws? dont you think we get most value on that flop with just calling down?

what range u put UTG on preflop -> flop -> turn

Do you really think AK is ever folding on this flop vs a short stack?

And his range is not only mosnters as JJ+ , AK . He also has AQ , AJ , TT , hands like 98s , QTs , JTs . So by shoving otf you get action from these hands , wich you wouldnt get ott.

So... U realize that ur post r contradictory
U say that u dont get action on turn from draws but u say to call on turn...

And u realize that AK is bluff catcher there vs mine stack... In best hand scenario it will be against smth like AJcc,
Most likely will be against set,str8,2pairs or exactly JTcc

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

I would likely either shove or also call

Not really sure what hands you want to see on the turn, so I would shove on the flop for value. AK is never folding there and you should protect aaginst flushdraws

As played: I would call turn (shove might be also ok, but very rarely get called by worse) and I would likely call him down at any river

best regards,

why u think AK is not folding?
what flush draws? dont you think we get most value on that flop with just calling down?

what range u put UTG on preflop -> flop -> turn

players are just not fold AK against your stack
He is likely going to open some suited connectors, but I agree that he has not too many flushdraws, although he may have a lot of pair+straight draws with his JTs, QTs, KTs, AQs and so hands

Ranges: UTG: maybe top 15% (depends how active he has been). If he is nit, then top 10%

equity:
board: KcQcJ
Hand Equity Wins Ties
10% 30.43% 236,073 52,023
AcA 69.57% 573,204 52,023

So that´s why I´m shoving, he would not really going to barrel turn with his low pp-s and I´m not sure if he is going to take c/c line with AJ/AQ. So all I do is giving him option taking free cards that can cost out stack

Since I would never see turn I don´t think it matters that much. He is likely going to barrel all his Ahxh flushdraws to get you fold AQ/AJ or smt+ barrel sometimes JTs/QTs (if he thinks he does not have too much equity and want to bet for protection)

I agree with almost all ur post
Problem is he just get on table so we dont have any reads dinamic I flat cos stacks behind are that they can sqz all in

On flop the thing is that best that he can have I mean draw is JTcc or smthing like 98/76cc so imo there r not many free cards that can hurt us ott

Imo we get more value when we just call cos he can try to bluf wit smth like 88/99 etc or over play aq aj or kt etc
I dont think he is folding ak any way no matter what we do call or shove flop so thats not isue but he might fold aq/ aj kx etc from which we can take at least one street value imo

My q actualy is do we call turn wit intention to fold river or with intention to call river or we just fold ott

I know that shoving flop is making our desition simple but when we decide to gamble and just flat flop I thibk we get most value leting villain barel flop turn( imo we r geting in on turn if brick hit but with k/ q/ j on turn I cant see any value in shoving)

Hi all,

I don't mind the preflop play at lower stakes. Once our opponent cbets this board I prefer shoving vs just calling, most of his handrange has some draw + pair and I don't expect any of it to fold.

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

I don't mind the preflop play at lower stakes. Once our opponent cbets this board I prefer shoving vs just calling, most of his handrange has some draw + pair and I don't expect any of it to fold.

its big 109$ ~90left

thoughts for turn as played? if answer is call what to do on river if villain bets(shove or smalish bet) if villain check??

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

I don't mind the preflop play at lower stakes. Once our opponent cbets this board I prefer shoving vs just calling, most of his handrange has some draw + pair and I don't expect any of it to fold.

its big 109$ ~90left

thoughts for turn as played? if answer is call what to do on river if villain bets(shove or smalish bet) if villain check??

Yea nvm then your play is literally faceup to all the better regs at the table. Just shove preflop.

I'd say turn is probably a call, fold river. I don't see much value shoving river if villain checks.

Originally posted by chenny8888

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

I don't mind the preflop play at lower stakes. Once our opponent cbets this board I prefer shoving vs just calling, most of his handrange has some draw + pair and I don't expect any of it to fold.

its big 109$ ~90left

thoughts for turn as played? if answer is call what to do on river if villain bets(shove or smalish bet) if villain check??

Yea nvm then your play is literally faceup to all the better regs at the table. Just shove preflop.

I'd say turn is probably a call, fold river. I don't see much value shoving river if villain checks.

thats true but i dont think he was reg and imo if CO/SB/BB had AT+/KQs/PP i think they r shoving like always

ok call turn now??
PokerStars - $100+$9|900/1800 Ante 225 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 113,063 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 41)
UTG+1: 54,029 (VPIP: 20.40, PFR: 14.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 408)
UTG+2: 29,902 (VPIP: 23.84, PFR: 22.29, 3Bet Preflop: 14.49, Hands: 172)
MP: 79,836 (VPIP: 16.91, PFR: 11.21, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 138)
Hero (MP+1): 27,757
CO: 36,261 (VPIP: 22.79, PFR: 22.05, 3Bet Preflop: 11.86, Hands: 137)
BTN: 102,511 (VPIP: 17.53, PFR: 7.37, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
SB: 18,131 (VPIP: 14.66, PFR: 12.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.02, Hands: 309)
BB: 21,954 (VPIP: 15.29, PFR: 9.59, 3Bet Preflop: 6.56, Hands: 159)

9 players post ante of 225, SB posts SB 900, BB posts BB 1,800

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,725) Hero has A♥ A♣

UTG raises to 3,650, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3,650, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1,850

Flop: (13,875, 3 players) K♣ Q♣ J♥ BB checks, UTG bets 5,400, Hero PUKE?

Hi all,

Look it's not a great turn card but I still think calling is best, slightly better than shoving and much better than folding. FWIW even if he's not a reg, the other regs are going to make some pretty heroic folds IMO.

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Look it's not a great turn card but I still think calling is best, slightly better than shoving and much better than folding. FWIW even if he's not a reg, the other regs are going to make some pretty heroic folds IMO.

ups sorry chenny just realiezed that I didnt post whole hh

So ke bet flop KQJcch 5400 I call
he bet turn Kh 5400 I call
River brick he bet 5400 I have ~ 13k behind. Pot is like 30k so now puke and do what??

call him down.
You get too good pot odds and are not out of the tourney
It is not unreasonable to expect someone take that line with missed flushdraw or sometimes air

best regards,

Originally posted by Kaitz20
call him down.
You get too good pot odds and are not out of the tourney
It is not unreasonable to expect someone take that line with missed flushdraw or sometimes air

best regards,

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