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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

PokerStars - $100+$9|1250/2500 Ante 325 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: 82,029.00
LP: 175,795.00
CO: 114,415.00
BTN: 8,008.00
Hero (SB): 65,932.00
BB: 28,938.00
UTG: 209,534.00
UTG+1: 75,929.00
MP: 272,584.00

MP+1 posts ante 325.00, LP posts ante 325.00, CO posts ante 325.00, BTN posts ante 325.00, Hero posts ante 325.00, BB posts ante 325.00, UTG posts ante 325.00, UTG+1 posts ante 325.00, MP posts ante 325.00, Hero posts SB 1,250.00, BB posts BB 2,500.00

Pre Flop: (6675.00) Hero has 6♣ 6♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 5,250.00, fold, Hero??????


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gusma
Joined: 07.10.2007

easy shove.


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You can make it 14k and then call shove or shove directly
Unless you have reason to expect player is total nit, I don´t think you can get away your hand.

I guess flatting also isn´t terrible but you give him option to see 3 free cards that could easily improve him and If board comes 553 then I doubt you´re still getting away your hand.

best regards,


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AceSteph
Joined: 31.03.2010

Push is the best play I think. 3betting is not pretty good. He may call sometimes and you end up in a pretty awkward spot postflop oop with 66. And he can light 4bet shove hands that you would be flipping against, but with a push you could just make them fold. Which is nicer, the variance is also smaller and we can make hands fold, that have decent EQs againt us.


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gusma
Joined: 07.10.2007

I do not like to 3bet here instead of shoving becouse as Ace said , he might sometimes flat and 66 plays really bad pos flop and OOP. If you consider 3betting , do it with hands like KQ , KJ that flops way better.


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

One more thing guys forgot to mention
He won previous hand too dont remeber actualy did he took the blinds or played pot but I can check
And look at bb stack dont u think that villains will open like tighter range when there is short in bb that will/ shoud shove vs late open like 50-60% of time #unexploatable


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AceSteph
Joined: 31.03.2010

It depends on the stat of the BB. BTN doesn't really matter obv. He could also r/c vs BB with a wider range because of the odds and r/f against you. I think we all have a wider r/c range vs a shorty and against a bigger stack, this r/c range gets tighter, so the bottom goes to the r/f.
I think this is also a good spot for him, since you won'T 3bet too light, given the short stack behind you. And if you 3bet you are commited against the shorty. That's why your 3bet range is getting tighter which could make him open wide (he won't get a 3bet that often) and fold more (but when he gets a 3bet it's from a stronger range, so he has to fold). At least what I think.


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gusma
Joined: 07.10.2007

Originally posted by AceSteph
It depends on the stat of the BB. BTN doesn't really matter obv. He could also r/c vs BB with a wider range because of the odds and r/f against you. I think we all have a wider r/c range vs a shorty and against a bigger stack, this r/c range gets tighter, so the bottom goes to the r/f.
I think this is also a good spot for him, since you won'T 3bet too light, given the short stack behind you. And if you 3bet you are commited against the shorty. That's why your 3bet range is getting tighter which could make him open wide (he won't get a 3bet that often) and fold more (but when he gets a 3bet it's from a stronger range, so he has to fold). At least what I think.

I agree with that.


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by AceSteph
It depends on the stat of the BB. BTN doesn't really matter obv. He could also r/c vs BB with a wider range because of the odds and r/f against you. I think we all have a wider r/c range vs a shorty and against a bigger stack, this r/c range gets tighter, so the bottom goes to the r/f.
I think this is also a good spot for him, since you won'T 3bet too light, given the short stack behind you. And if you 3bet you are commited against the shorty. That's why your 3bet range is getting tighter which could make him open wide (he won't get a 3bet that often) and fold more (but when he gets a 3bet it's from a stronger range, so he has to fold). At least what I think.

So if this is try then best play should be 3bet folding vs btn obv calling vs bb???


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by Kaitz20
You can make it 14k and then call shove or shove directly
Unless you have reason to expect player is total nit, I don´t think you can get away your hand.

I guess flatting also isn´t terrible but you give him option to see 3 free cards that could easily improve him and If board comes 553 then I doubt you´re still getting away your hand.

best regards,

This. I don't like flatting. The only advantage of 3betting to 14k and calling a shove is that it looks slightly stronger IMO.


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AceSteph
Joined: 31.03.2010

Originally posted by chenny8888
This. I don't like flatting. The only advantage of 3betting to 14k and calling a shove is that it looks slightly stronger IMO.

It looks stronger, but what if he calls? I don't really see Hero playing 66 profitable postflop in this spot. Usually we hit 4. pair and we are completely blind.


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Originally posted by AceSteph

Originally posted by chenny8888
This. I don't like flatting. The only advantage of 3betting to 14k and calling a shove is that it looks slightly stronger IMO.

It looks stronger, but what if he calls? I don't really see Hero playing 66 profitable postflop in this spot. Usually we hit 4. pair and we are completely blind.

usually we don´t get called, but if we do, then c-bet/fold most spots should be ok. I would likely take c/f line on QJT or JT9 boards :)
On AK7 or AQ8 it should be standard spot bet 13k and fold to shove

best regards,


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Originally posted by Kaitz20

Originally posted by AceSteph

Originally posted by chenny8888
This. I don't like flatting. The only advantage of 3betting to 14k and calling a shove is that it looks slightly stronger IMO.

It looks stronger, but what if he calls? I don't really see Hero playing 66 profitable postflop in this spot. Usually we hit 4. pair and we are completely blind.

usually we don´t get called, but if we do, then c-bet/fold most spots should be ok. I would likely take c/f line on QJT or JT9 boards :)
On AK7 or AQ8 it should be standard spot bet 13k and fold to shove

best regards,

Nothing for me to add. I'm not too worried anyway, you won't get called very often.


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