Ask me anything about 6-max: pleno1's coaching thread

Originally posted by harrka
Do you prefer to 3b these spots? Villain is tight pf with small sample. I think we have usually the best hand, but calling sucks as well. We also block a lot of his value hands.

Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $55.99 (112 bb)
Hero (BTN): $66.74 (133.5 bb)
SB: $50 (100 bb)
BB: $50.41 (100.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 T
CO folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($2.50) 2 K T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $8.25, SB calls $4

Turn: ($19) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($19) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Results:

Spoiler

$19 pot ($0.95 rake)
Final Board: 2 K T 5 9
Hero showed 9 T and won $18.05 ($8.80 net)
SB showed Q A and lost (-$9.25 net)

How do we make money by 4betting this flop against tighter villain? What are your own stats?

After he checks the river i will make a small value bet to try to get value from a naked king or Q9/QT/JT

How do you guy's adapt to multiway pots, both ip and oop?

Originally posted by Riverdiver
How do you guy's adapt to multiway pots, both ip and oop?

Well, since you asked...

I try to avoid them unless I have a hand that is going to give me a simple solution post-flop.

For example:
You get a really nice price to play suited connectors, and if I flop a monster draw or the nut straight or similar, I stay in. Two pair is about the minimum I'll continue with.

I HATE playing big pairs multiway -- too many ways for villain(2) to win, not enough outs, and I tend to hang on to them too tightly. So I try to isolate pre-flop. If that doesn't work, I'm suddenly in a big pot, with a hand that has two outs. Yuck.

Small pairs are easier to let go if they miss, and dynamite when they set hits.

Peace,
--VS

is their a coaching today? Also why is it still gold ranking now?

Hi mute

pleno's in Vegas atm so there is no coaching today

On NL10 Zoom, vs a BU open, what range do you think that a typical (unknown) opponent calls when they are in SB? And when they are in BB? Do you think it's a different range compared to regular NL10 (not Zoom)?

Thanks

How big does your sample have to be in order to analyze your game. For example, I want to know if calling an UTG open with AJo is profitable, but my sample of this is only 3, even though i've played 30k hands? How much of these actions do I need in my database to come to a good conclusion?

Heeeeeyyy guys, Im back now, looking forward to the next couple of months coaching, really found out some great concepts in the last month!!

Selling a pretty cool package here if anybody has any run good dollars.

PLENO1 FTOPS and WCOOP

Hey,

Nice coaching tonight.

U where talking about possible cheaters in coaching and u where watching the list in the coaching player, but u should now that u can just follow in twitch. Like me because im no gold. Also don't think u can check for player IP address there enz.
Maybe u now about this and it is nothing but if there are higher coaching it could also be a possible problem.

(sorry for bad English)

I see that you are using the "GamePlan" opening ranges.

I really like this GamePlan series -- The first think I noticed is that they are wider in the SC area, and tighter in the off-suit area.

That is taking me a bit of getting used to.

Also, I notice that there is a very wide flat calling range.

And a question:
By how much to you shrink the open-raising range when there are limpers ahead of you?

Cheers,
--VS

How bad can you run in 6 max?

Originally posted by prime333
How bad can you run in 6 max?

Now THERE'S s challenge I have a chance of winning.

I'd rather not compete, though.

The thing I've come to realize is that you and you alone control what you do with the cards.

To survive in poker you must believe 3 things:
♦  The deal is fair
♦  If the deal is fair, over the long haul the skill edge will prevail
♦  In the short run absolutely anything is possible.

Therefore, you must trust the site you play on. If you don't -- change.
If over the long haul, you aren't winning, then you don't have the skill edge you thought you did.
If you've just lost <some huge number> of <some great hand> in a row, it is entirely possible that it is just poker.

Of the 3, you and you alone can control your skill level.

That is where PokerStrategy.com comes in.

Best of luck,
--VS

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Of the 3, you and you alone can control your skill level.

That is where PokerStrategy.com comes in.

Best of luck,
--VS

Well that seems like the most useless of the 3. Which site can help me control the deal?

Originally posted by metza
Well that seems like the most useless of the 3. Which site can help me control the deal?

The question is:
If I knew, would I tell?
♦

Hey Patrick!

Just saw your video on the sb and bb ranges, very cool!

At the beginning of this thread you said that you never flat from the SB as you like to have initiative. Did you change your mind?

Also, how do we make money when we flat oop? What is our standard gameplan against an unknown nl2-5-nl10 zoom or regular table? We never 3bet PP according to the charts you showed on that video, why?

I played a bit of iPoker NL5 Speed Poker and I found the field REALLY tight and a lot of SSS that 3bet all-in a lot (their range is something like 66+, A2s+, A6o+, I dont know for sure). How do I adjust against them? Opening my call-to-3bet range against them? Calling range?

When SB flat calls you say we should squeeze more from the blinds, what range do you suggest?

Last question.. but most important! ♦ Can you provide us with a clear openraising chart and how to react (call, 3b/5b, 3b/f) vs open raise and limps (unknown opponents)?

Thanks, I really appreciate your effort and passion

Hi pleno1!

Curious as to your thinking on the contest hand. When you bet the turn, are you betting for value or are you betting only to set your self up for the river check raise bluff? Good hand btw.

$2/$4 No Limit Hold'em
Hero (SB) ($493.05)
BB ($191)
Button ($892.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with X, X
Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $32, 1 fold, Button calls $24

Flop: ($68) K, 2, A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($68) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $42.15, Button calls $42.15

River: ($152.30) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $108, Hero raises to $418.90 (All-In)

Total pot: $368.30

Have fun and join the game!

Hi Patrick,

I was wanting to ask about expanding our 5b range.

Say my default is QQ+ AK and against a lag who I've noticed 4b/f against my 5b what would be the next hand you'd add to the range? Would it be JJ-TT, has the most equity against a calling range, or something like A5s, which has a little less equity but a good blocker.

Originally posted by Boki1988
Hey,

Nice coaching tonight.

U where talking about possible cheaters in coaching and u where watching the list in the coaching player, but u should now that u can just follow in twitch. Like me because im no gold. Also don't think u can check for player IP address there enz.
Maybe u now about this and it is nothing but if there are higher coaching it could also be a possible problem.

(sorry for bad English)

Ive no idea why, btu when I saw your post I wanted to write

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Yeah, changes now though, back to basic this week, so yáll can join.

Originally posted by peche025
or something like A5s, which has a little less equity but a good blocker.

Another interesting thing to consider with that would be the fact that ppl also mostly 4bet bluff with blockers like Ax-rags ... So with A5s you are also blocking his "blocker bluff4bet" combos

So lets say this aggro guy stacks off with TT+/AQ+ OOP ... 76s is gonna do exactly the same as A5s equity wise while not blocking his Ax bluff combos ...

But for example, if it's a BUvSB battle where he will trapcall IP with some combos of KK+/AQ+ and is a lot more pair-heavy with his 4b/broke range (lets give him like a random 99+ only range for shits&giggles) ... then 76s is gonna do rly shitty compared to A5s vs that range obv.

Just some random thoughts that popped into my head when reading your Q ... would be interesting to see Patrick's side of things

EDIT: T9s would be even better then actually ... block some 99-TT and have a reasonable chance to win if he ever decides to do it with 99 and below

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I see that you are using the "GamePlan" opening ranges.

I really like this GamePlan series -- The first think I noticed is that they are wider in the SC area, and tighter in the off-suit area.

That is taking me a bit of getting used to.

Also, I notice that there is a very wide flat calling range.

And a question:
By how much to you shrink the open-raising range when there are limpers ahead of you?

Cheers,
--VS

I guess I widen it when there is a limper, more money in the pot so we get a better price to win. For example, I would iso rais q6s vs fish but not open from the cut off.