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tommygecko
tommygecko
Joined: 11.08.2012
Posts: 1,229
14.07.2013, 11:39

Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 250 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP1: 12,536 (6.3 bb)
MP2: 33,701 (16.9 bb)
MP3: 24,835 (12.4 bb)
CO: 16,740 (8.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): 5,561 (2.8 bb)
SB: 20,999 (10.5 bb)
BB: 26,039 (13 bb)
UTG+1: 20,005 (10 bb)
UTG+2: 28,670 (14.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 3
8 folds

Results:

Spoiler

4,250 pot
BB mucked and won 4,250 (3,000 net)

I guess we should shove any 2 here? including 35o?


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_Anonymous_
_Anonymous_
15.07.2013, 15:33

I don't shove here. We have little to no fold equity and a hand that has no value and flops very poor. With the BB just through us we have more than enough opportunities to get in with better quality hands within the next orbit. 45s 56s etc i probably shove


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tommygecko
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Joined: 11.08.2012
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15.07.2013, 18:25

Originally posted by jambomatty
I don't shove here. We have little to no fold equity and a hand that has no value and flops very poor. With the BB just through us we have more than enough opportunities to get in with better quality hands within the next orbit. 45s 56s etc i probably shove

Why are we concerned about flopping poorly if we are seeing the turn and river too?

I agree we have zero FE because BB have odds to call any 2 but still wondering if shoving any 2 here is profitable (and best option). It's very close I think.


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kashmiruzi
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Joined: 02.01.2011
Posts: 84
15.07.2013, 19:18

i doubt its the best option if bb is priced in. you have just posted blinds so oyu have a few more hands to find a much better spot than this imo


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15.07.2013, 21:09

Originally posted by tommygecko

Originally posted by jambomatty
I don't shove here. We have little to no fold equity and a hand that has no value and flops very poor. With the BB just through us we have more than enough opportunities to get in with better quality hands within the next orbit. 45s 56s etc i probably shove

Why are we concerned about flopping poorly if we are seeing the turn and river too?

I agree we have zero FE because BB have odds to call any 2 but still wondering if shoving any 2 here is profitable (and best option). It's very close I think.

Yeah probably poor wording from me, both things I said mean basically the same that the hand doesnt have any value when called which in this case makes it a fold for me because if the bb pays attention he calls pretty much any 2 has us in a bad way. I think you'll find better.

For the record the chart that I have says: 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J5o+ T3s+ T6o+ 95s+ 97o+ 85s+ 87o 75s+ 65s 54s for 3bb from the button


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Tiltberger
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Joined: 23.06.2005
Posts: 24,937
16.07.2013, 16:33

Hey Tommygecko!

Very easy fold imo! I would shove 50% here. Not more... you still have an orbit to wait for a better hand... and the chance you get something better than 53o is pretty high :)

Greets,
Tiltberger


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Tiltberger
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Joined: 23.06.2005
Posts: 24,937
16.07.2013, 16:33

Hey Tommygecko!

Very easy fold imo! I would shove 50% here. Not more... you still have an orbit to wait for a better hand... and the chance you get something better than 53o is pretty high :)

Greets,
Tiltberger


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