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Toothless32
Joined: 10.01.2011

Poker Stars $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2286424
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CO: $12.22 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 9,3, Hands: 210
BTN: $11.49 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 17
Hero (SB): $24.86 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 3,3, Hands: 19405
BB: $16.14 - VPIP: 88, PFR: 31, 3B: 24, AF: 1,9, Hands: 58
UTG: $12.23 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 1,1, Hands: 131
MP: $12.83 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 7, AF: 1,9, Hands: 838

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 8 :heart: Q :club: K :diamond: K :club:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, BB raises to $1, CO calls $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($3.00) A :heart: K :spade: 9 :diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.87, CO raises to $11, Hero folds, BB folds

Hi, interesting hand for you :) , and maybe horrible mistake on my part.

So PF should be standard I think given we are so deep I don´t want to do anything else.
OTF...BB is fish who 3bets 24%, however his c-bet is very low (33%) so when he pots into two players on such a dry board I think it´s really strong. I still probably planned to atleast call at this point. Now the nit shoves even though perceived range of BB is the nuts I think.

BB writes into chat (before I act):
"KK?"
"maybe 99"
....So generally people do it when they are folding right, making speech about putting your opponent on second nuts and then doing anything else but folding looks just incredibly strong. But here CO is already all in so It does not change anything and I don´t think its usable as read.

He did not 3bet to full pot so I think its less likely he has AA but also I am not sure that CO is 4betting AA** because of that. ALso he should not have a lot of 99 in his range, there are 3combs of AK as of AA, and its clear that BB has something.

In the end I folded and BB showed that he folded AK, so CO could not have K in his hand, leaving 1x AA, and then I don´t know if he is stacking off with A9 or AQJT....But I think its possible he is just calling IP with draw or folding A9 some amount of time.

Thanks for any advice....


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

ok i love the fact that you thought about stuff in such depth, but i think you are overthinking it. I think CO will always 4b aaxx. I mean he's not that deep, and he should be able to leverage his stack preflop. Not only that, cause the fish 3bets so wide, CO might not even always get credit for AAxx when he 4bets.

BB pots into 2. So the first thing you have to decide here, is are you going with your hand or not. Calling the flop to fold the turn would be really bad. But the interesting thing here is that CO jams to the pot bet. That's really interesting, cause it shows he doesn't fear BB and that would suggest he knows BB doesn't have AAxx. But CO having AAxx here would be a freak event. First of all, he would 4bet them a big % of the time. Second of all, one A is otf, so his preflop AAxx combos are much smaller.

Knowing CO seems to know that BB doesn't have AAxx many times actually works in our favour, as we now know our KKxx are probably good vs BB, and CO is just being wierd here. I'm afraid CO knew BB 3bets a lot, and had a hand like JT99xx that is now shoving purely for value.

Truth be told, i don't think i could've folded here. But i definetly understand your reasoning for doing so. However, once you start making these folds, you are gonna loose money in the long run imo.

Regards,

Skodljivec


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Toothless32
Joined: 10.01.2011

I actually never considered that shove of CO can be because he blocks AA or that he picked up that sizing tell. Big part of reason for my fold was that I thought that BB can still have AA**, I would rarely put CO on AA here, but given what happened I do not think its impossible, I still see players smooth call 3bets with AA in spots where they should not. However its still a bit weird for CO to shove there something that is not nuts when he (being a bit result oriented) does not have K in his hand, and even if he would think BB cannot have AA he still has to be worried of BB (or me) having KK**. I think that he still probably does not fold 99, especially if he has something like AT99, but I still have to be little bit worried about BB. His range is wide but strong and uncapped in this spot. I agree its probably call though, but its really weird spot...


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Yeah it's wierd. But a 24% 3bettor will have a crazy wide non aaxx range. Especially once 1 ace flops. And if all of that stuff happens at the same time you hit mid set in a SPR 4 then that's really the definition of a cooler.

Regards,

Skodljivec


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