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nl100 zoom A8s against short

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ciachooooo
Joined: 02.01.2010

21/18, total 3b 9%

BB vs SB steal: fold 68%, call 13%, 3b 19%,

fold to 4b on bb is 67%

what is your play here? if I make small 4b I would either commit myself (so basicly I could shove instead) or give him supergood odds. Does it mean this is a shove? Or am I wrong?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player4 ($117.46) 117bb
UTG+1 Player5 ($125.16) 125bb
CO Player6 ($382.67) 383bb
BTN Player1 ($88.55) 89bb
SB ciachooooo ($115.29) 115bb
BB Player3 ($50) 50bb

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) ciachooooo is SB A♥ 8♥
4 folds, ciachooooo raises to $3, Player3 raises to $8, $5 to ciachooooo ($112.29)?


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m3ta
Joined: 01.04.2009

whats wrong with calling ?
also I think if u get 3 bet this frqtly yous hould condsider limping in. you can do the math on shoving its gonna be close imo.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

If p is the probability that villian folds after shove and (1-p) that he calls and probability of losing the pot when he calls is 0.7 (because we have 30% equity), our E is:

E = 12.5bb * p - (1-p) * (47bb) * 0.7
we find p for E > 0

12.5 p + 32.9 bb - 32.9 > 0
p > 32.9/45.4
o > 0.72 (72%)

So it means that he needs to fold > 72% so that our shove is +EV.
If he folds 67% to 4bet,then we can't shove +ev´

Is it correct calculation?


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m3ta
Joined: 01.04.2009

E = 12.5p + (1-p)(-47 + 100*0.3) [with prob. 1-p we lose 47bb and win eq*potsize back]
= 12.5p +(1-p)(-17)
= 12.5p -17 + 17p
= 29.5p - 17

p = 17/29.5 = 0.58

edit:
E(p = 0.67) = 2.77bb
not all that close after all


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ciachooooo
Joined: 02.01.2010

why do you put 12,5?
it's bvb, I open to 3, he 3b to 8, so it should be 11

p would be 0,61
E would be 1,76 so still + EV shove

but maybe some would say calling is better? maybe some will say min4b or sth else?:)


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

It is 12.5 bb because you have 1.5 blinds. Is the calculation from m3ta ok? Looks fine to me, but I would like to be sure.


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ciachooooo
Joined: 02.01.2010

those blinds are included in total 11...

my open to 3bb includes sb
his 3b to 8 includes bb

so total it is 11bb imo


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

I may shove if he is shorter but this seems like a pretty ez call. Too strong to turn into a bluff, too weak to shove for value.


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