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JJ in CO vs large SB 3Bet

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BB: $7.67 (153.4 bb)
UTG: $2.07 (41.4 bb)
MP: $2 (40 bb)
Hero (CO): $8.94 (178.8 bb)
BTN: $4.54 (90.8 bb)
SB: $5.66 (113.2 bb) 57H only 23/20/23.8 50% fold vs steal

Preflop: Hero is CO with J:h J:c
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.41, BB folds, Hero raises to $1, SB folds

Thought processes
He is 3Betting a ton.
My hand is too strong to fold -- even to a large 3Bet.
If an AKQ comes on the flop, I have little choice but to fold to a CBet.
I want the initiative, so the only way to get it is raise.

My questions:
Is this too weak for a 4Bet here?
What is proper size for a 4Bet?
Would you fold this to a pre-flop 5-Bet?
If he does call pre, and donks the flop, then what?

I looked later, and all his 3Bets have come in the blinds.
This is the only time he ever got 4Bet in the 57 hands I have on him.

Even if I give him a tighter range than 23% I'm way ahead

       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     63.02%  62.44%   0.57% { JJ }
SB     36.98%  36.41%   0.57% { 22+, ATs+, KQs, ATo+, KQo }

Spoiler

Results: $0.87 pot
Hero mucked J:h J:c and won $0.87 ($0.46 net)


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

i think with your reads its pretty fine but 57 hands is a small sample :)
-when u know he 3bets alot in the blinds


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RRKKRR
Joined: 06.07.2012

You should probably make it bigger like 1.3/1.4 so you can get some more value out of SC if he decides to call you and if he 5bets all in you should most likely call,well depends on your image on the table


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

i think the betize is ok because he can make it with some bluffs with blockers like kq qj and with toprange against those guys


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Hi VorpalF2F,

First off, what's the point of giving him that range there if you 4-bet? That range assumption may be fine if you just called his 3-bet so his entire range sees the flop.

As soon as you 4-bet that doesn't happen anymore and a different range comes into play.

I also don't think that he'd 3-bet all pairs for example and no connectors or Ax, Kx suited, etc.

Anyhow, back to the hand, if you are 4-bet/folding then you are much better off just using blockers and calling hands like JJ. If you are 4-bet/calling it's too loose at 5nl with the limited info you have. Thus I do not like the 4-bet here so I'd call and play IP. A, K or Q flop does not mean (and should not mean) an automatic fold. You have position and you can bluffcatch.

As far as your other questions go the 4-bet size is fine given the other sizes used (2.5 bb -> 8 BB).


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