Average profit for grinders

anything above 0bb/100 is good, 8bb/100+ is almost impossible in nl100+ I think.

Originally posted by booomm
anything above 0bb/100 is good, 8bb/100+ is almost impossible in nl100+ I think.

So you are telling me a NL1K winning reg couldn't play NL100 for more than 8bb/100? Bullsh*t! It would be hard work for a NL100 reg to achieve, but it is certainly possible!

Originally posted by jonnyjm

Originally posted by booomm
anything above 0bb/100 is good, 8bb/100+ is almost impossible in nl100+ I think.

So you are telling me a NL1K winning reg couldn't play NL100 for more than 8bb/100? Bullsh*t! It would be hard work for a NL100 reg to achieve, but it is certainly possible!

I'm almost sure that pleno1 said in one of his coachings that he made a prop bet for beating NL100 in a large sample for more than 10bb/100. I don't know how it ended, but he showed his graph and in a big sample he was winning more than 10bb/100.

Originally posted by acetbfish

Originally posted by jonnyjm

Originally posted by booomm
anything above 0bb/100 is good, 8bb/100+ is almost impossible in nl100+ I think.

So you are telling me a NL1K winning reg couldn't play NL100 for more than 8bb/100? Bullsh*t! It would be hard work for a NL100 reg to achieve, but it is certainly possible!

I'm almost sure that pleno1 said in one of his coachings that he made a prop bet for beating NL100 in a large sample for more than 10bb/100. I don't know how it ended, but he showed his graph and in a big sample he was winning more than 10bb/100.

Was that SH or FR ? FR has lower winrates, right?

I think you could beat NL100 SH ZOOM for 10bbs if you are ALWAYS playing your A-game and when you are really really good.

You should be proud of yourself when you have a winrate between 3 and 5 bbs already.

ok thats interesting, over how many hands is a good sample?

i`ve heard 3-4 bb/100 for zoom FR is good - very good, higher is almost impossible (am not talking about 1tabling, I am talking about multitabling)

Some people like Gordon have been beating up to NL5000 for something like 13bb/100 over a long sample and with very very low pratice I blew up NL50 25bb/100 and now NL100 like 15bb/100 on low samples though (on a heater but still)

is under 100,000 hands low?

50k is enough... i have like 10k hands on each limit (so nothing proved yet)

People are still very very very exploitable

You can try a variance calculator at ++evtools I think. There was still a decent chance of seeing a big impact of variance on your winnings over the course of 100k hands.

After the 500k mark results are pretty much not honest. Variance is so large you don't really have a true winrate because over large samples you will improve (so you'll never know your true rate unless you're a sick grinder)

@WillyD I have no clue about gordon, but 13bb/100 seems unrealastic, I would love to see a solid proof of that; sthing like 500k+ hands with 13bb/100.
and 25bb/100 is impossible to sustain over any reasonable sample (100k hands+) on any stake.

I know im on a heater but with a close to perfect game especially in heads up cash an over 10bb\100 is possible for elite players imo

Originally posted by WillyD
I know im on a heater but with a close to perfect game especially in heads up cash an over 10bb\100 is possible for elite players imo

I don't know about HU but in 6max, in 2013, I am pretty sure it is close to impossible to have more then 10bb/100 playing nl50+, if you can prove me wrong go ahead

Originally posted by booomm

Originally posted by WillyD
I know im on a heater but with a close to perfect game especially in heads up cash an over 10bb\100 is possible for elite players imo

I don't know about HU but in 6max, in 2013, I am pretty sure it is close to impossible to have more then 10bb/100 playing nl50+, if you can prove me wrong go ahead

http://www.pokertableratings.com/cake-player-search/_BoBo_

17,28 BB/100

Originally posted by JCSeerup

Originally posted by booomm

Originally posted by WillyD
I know im on a heater but with a close to perfect game especially in heads up cash an over 10bb\100 is possible for elite players imo

I don't know about HU but in 6max, in 2013, I am pretty sure it is close to impossible to have more then 10bb/100 playing nl50+, if you can prove me wrong go ahead

http://www.pokertableratings.com/cake-player-search/_BoBo_

17,28 BB/100

that's impressive, but sample is not big enough tbh, if he can sustain that rate over 500k+, well we have a legit sicko.