NL4 TT IP against a TAG

Hi hvard92

Preflop: Given SB 3-bet quite large we should not consider 4-betting. Calling is our best plan despite having to call 10 BB (we are deep + fish is in).

Postflop: As played you should fold the flop when SB bets big into two people, including a fish.

Ok ill do it next time, but the hard part for me is that i would probably played AK like this myself a majority of the time even when a fish is in the pot. Fish fold too and there's alot that missed this flop. Why don't you think he could have played AK like this? But you're the boss and i'm probably wrong as always ♦

So if he plays AK like this how do you proceed on the turn? You have 0 turns (except 2x T) that you want to see.

Calling any turn card would be spew...

And you already forgot that he bet big in the 3-bet pot to begin with.

And btw, you should not bet AK without at least a backdoor (which is just 3 combos) multiway with fish.

So if he plays AK like this how do you proceed on the turn? You have 0 turns (except 2x T) that you want to see.

I he had AK i don't think he would have bet the turn. So my plan was to call flop. If he checked, i would have maybe bet to fold out his equity or check turn and x/call the river if it's a blank. If he bet turn, i would have folded like i did, even 1/2 the pot.

And you already forgot that he bet big in the 3-bet pot to begin with.

Big? Isn't it just a standard 3bet (3x the initial raise)? And does it mean that he has me crushed every time he 3bets big?

And btw, you should not bet AK without at least a backdoor (which is just 3 combos) multiway with fish.

Even on the driest flop that excists? How do i not lose money by doing that? After my experience after i started to play 4 tables, i have noticed that fish DO fold on dry flops. That comment made me pretty confused. Don't you think fish would have folded at least 40% of the time on such flop?

If he had AK.

And his 3-bet is 60c, 60c / 4c = 15 BB. That's a huge 3-bet, almost the size of a 4-bet.

If you are HU you can easily bet, but you are multiway.

If the fish folds 40% to cbets and the other guy folds 40% that means that BOTH FOLD only 40*40 /100 = 16% of the time. Yes, that's 16%.

And his 3-bet is 60c, 60c / 4c = 15 BB. That's a huge 3-bet, almost the size of a 4-bet.

I don't know what you are talking about really. I've learned that i should 3bet 3x the initial raise and add one initial raise amount per caller of the raise.

-So if someone raised to 0,12, i 3bet to 0,36
-If someone raises to 0,16, i 3bet to 0,48
-If someone limped 0,04 and one raised to 0,20 because of the limper, i would 3bet to 0,60
- If someone raised to 0,16 and someone called 0,16, i would have 3bet to 0,60.

But i guess what you're talking about is probably for higher stakes or maybe you have been teached difference raise amount? I don't know.

No, what I'm talking about (and what we've been talking about) is that his range is stronger since he 3-bets bigger (15bb).

Look at it this way. When someone limps and then someone raises to 20c do you 3-bet to 60c the same range you would 3-bet vs the guy that just opened 12c and you 3-bet 36c?

Look at it this way. When someone limps and then someone raises to 20c do you 3-bet to 60c the same range you would 3-bet vs the guy that just opened 12c and you 3-bet 36c?

Yes. whatever the raise amount is, i would always 3-bet 3x times the inital raise unless it is unusually big like 25bb's or something. My 3-betting range for now is only AQ+, QQ+ and in rare cases TT+. I'm not shure what you mean but if you're asking me if i have a wider 3-betting range in CO+ than UTG+ there's not much difference.

The concept is simple. The bigger the raise the better the range (on average).

So when I see someone 3-betting after I isolate big at the lower limits you will generally see strong hands (people are afraid to bluff for a lot).

You keep saying "big" but i just look at it as standard since a standard raise (from the NL Beginners Course) is 4bb's. So when he 3-bets in sb i'm just thinking AK+, QQ+.

-Then i multiply what i have to call with 15 and call
-Then i call the flop because there are 16# of AK+ and 18#...Uhm of QQ+...Ok so i don't beat his cbet range. Guess it's a fold then, lol. He could isolate with AQ against the fish but i don't know that. Is that the reason i should fold to his cbet on the flop?

The bigger the raise the better the range (on average).

What is a normal 3-bet then? Am i stupid? I still don't get it

So when I see someone 3-betting after I isolate big at the lower limits you will generally see strong hands (people are afraid to bluff for a lot).

I don't think he would 3bet bluff here ever vs a fish OOP.

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And a lot of people don't cbet the entire AK range. They may bet 8 of the 16 combos while everyone bets the value range.

A normal 3-bet is in the range of 8-12 BB depending on positions. So the bigger the bet the stronger the range.