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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
That's such a bad news in so many ways man!
I purchased silver so that You and Kurkkabin can evaluate my hands. I was planing on taking occasional brush up sessions from you in January.
Its very sad news I hope that they can resolve it ASAP and return your rights for you.
BTW still not sure why they took it off of you anyways , didn't follow that whole community battle.

Seems to have evaluation rights still so I will do those sometimes. Basically I mentioned web address of another community during that tournament. Can be seen as huge thing if I was considered as stuff of PS. But well already said my view on the matter earlier.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
BTW with AK hand I agree with LTT. I would 3 bet there for value depending on your fold to 3 bet from EP (if you fold less than 60% I would definitely 3 bet it for value). Definitely would check your 4 bet range from UTG and then proceed in the hand. It is very bad to call triple barrel you without any reads that you will turn hands into a bluff (PPs such as QQ, JJ, 1010 etc) as well as pure bluffing with A high etc. So like you said Ghaleon calling double barrel could be OK here but fold to river bet is recommend for sure (expecting you to have there overpair or sets nothing less). On the other hand if you know that this guy is folding TPTK on this board on your triple barrel then you can exploit him a lot post flop with way weaker hands (your bluffing combos increase a lot and you can value bet way weaker hands).
His C-raise line on flop makes sense as he is on top of his range but what is he doing that for - value or bluff? What is he extracting value from on this flop? Does SNE guy think you would bet call here with mid pps and call him down to river? Its just unecessary leveling on his part , he should let you value town if you have KQ in your range let you barrel it off.
Overall very interesting hand it happens a lot on 15s also (I see people flatting AK, AQ, AJ a tons and then calling down 3 streets easy to bluff catch me without thinking of ranges too much).

I might actually have no 4betting range when in position opening from UTG 10handed. That is kind of unnecessary imo. My value range can only be basically KK+ for somewhat clear value and not that many hands I want to 4bet bluff with. OOP its bit different.

He is obviously going for value line postflop not thinking in ranges at all or he thinks I have way wider range here than I really should have. It could be ok line if I had opened from later position. As bluff it makes little sense. Well if the thinks I will fold AK, AA by turn, which I might versus solid reg then it might make little bit sense. As if you think solid value range it would be just sets basically on this flop. Which means that if he doesnt have bluffing range he should never check-raise flop for value either. As then it would make more sense to just take check-call line with e.g. middle set and let me go for bluff or possibly try some thin value line.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Just checked my lifetime PS points. Almost 300k now. So few months to next year and I should be close to black member. Though not sure what value that would even offer? Some party stuff and suit, but anything else?


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GL in 2014 man !


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Not bad. 2 sessions so far for today. Total 6 hours playing, 214 games and around 4k VPP :f_cool:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

High stake fish reg spewing off nicely in 60$ 6max. EV line will thank him.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,610)
BB ($1,705)
UTG ($1,445)
UTG+1 ($1,530)
CO ($880)
Hero ($1,830)

Dealt to Hero K♠ K♥

UTG calls $30, UTG+1 raises to $90, fold, Hero raises to $240, fold, fold, UTG calls $210, UTG+1 raises to $480, Hero raises to $1,830 (AI), fold, UTG+1 calls $1,050 (AI)

FLOP ($3,345) 9♣ J♣ 4♣

TURN ($3,345) 9♣ J♣ 4♣ 7♣

RIVER ($3,345) 9♣ J♣ 4♣ 7♣ 6♦

Hero shows K♠ K♥
(Pre 68%, Flop 2.8%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG+1 shows 8♣ A♣
(Pre 32%, Flop 97.2%, Turn 100.0%)

UTG+1 wins $3,345


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Not sure of this hand. Villain was around 50/10 during this hand with small sample. Seems fishy. This is kind of reason why I tend to question hero folds versus unknown players. Tried to go for value in river and ended up to sigh call still with these pot odds. We only need to win around 22% of time. He might be bluffing some flush draws or having same straight as we do. Or apparently he can shove two pair also. For value I would say.

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SB ($1,470)
BB ($1,480)
UTG ($1,480)
UTG+1 ($1,490)
UTG+2 ($3,080)
MP1 ($1,520)
CO ($1,515)
Hero ($1,465)

Dealt to Hero K♠ T♠

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $30, fold, fold, Hero raises to $105, fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $75

FLOP ($255) 7♣ K♣ Q♣

UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $150, UTG+2 calls $150

TURN ($555) 7♣ K♣ Q♣ J♠

UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $300, UTG+2 calls $300

RIVER ($1,155) 7♣ K♣ Q♣ J♠ 9♠

UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $270, UTG+2 raises to $2,525 (AI), Hero calls $640 (AI)

UTG+2 shows K♥ 9♥
(Pre 31%, Flop 22.6%, Turn 18.2%)

Hero shows K♠ T♠
(Pre 69%, Flop 77.4%, Turn 81.8%)

Hero wins $2,975


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

These are annoying spots. 18man bubble. Monster hand, 5bb stack and yet you have to just fold...

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SB ($12,666)
Hero ($1,794)
UTG ($2,959)
CO ($3,230)
BTN ($6,351)

Dealt to Hero J♥ J♦

fold, CO raises to $3,205 (AI), BTN calls $3,205, fold, fold

FLOP ($6,985) 2♣ 7♣ 4♦

TURN ($6,985) 2♣ 7♣ 4♦ Q♠

RIVER ($6,985) 2♣ 7♣ 4♦ Q♠ 2♦

CO shows J♣ K♣
(Pre 44%, Flop 54.8%, Turn 34.1%)

BTN shows A♥ 9♥
(Pre 56%, Flop 45.2%, Turn 65.9%)

BTN wins $6,985


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Managed to get nice day. Played 7.7h, 275 games, 5285 vpp and avg bin 53.87$ So only 190 days like that next year and SNE achieved. Piece of cake :f_grin:


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Anssi
Joined: 03.07.2008

Originally posted by ghaleon
Just checked my lifetime PS points. Almost 300k now. So few months to next year and I should be close to black member. Though not sure what value that would even offer? Some party stuff and suit, but anything else?

Pretty much that. If you make 75k SP in quarter you also get travel token (600$).


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Made an edit above - if you need clarification please PM me. However, if you make another post of that nature we will have to consider a time out.

Regards,
Gary.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by Anssi

Originally posted by ghaleon
Just checked my lifetime PS points. Almost 300k now. So few months to next year and I should be close to black member. Though not sure what value that would even offer? Some party stuff and suit, but anything else?

Pretty much that. If you make 75k SP in quarter you also get travel token (600$).

Ok that is pretty nice add as well. 75k SP will come easily with SNE goal.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by HollyMichelle
Made an edit above - if you need clarification please PM me. However, if you make another post of that nature we will have to consider a time out.

Regards,
Gary.

Ok thanks for clarification.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Decided to go for 400k milestone. So need 40k vpp more to hit. Should be 8-10 playing days.


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

Originally posted by ghaleon
Decided to go for 400k milestone. So need 40k vpp more to hit. Should be 8-10 playing days.

Sounds awesome man !
I think you will do SNE next year , very impressed with your multi tabling skills playing various formats (6,9,18 mans) !


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Run like this is always such awesome motivator for grinding :rolleyes:

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Well 30k more vpp for milestone. Currently I am able to get around 30-40 games in hour. So 200+ game days are pretty standard.


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

It will turn around, great to see you are crushing with EV.
Could you please share number of tables you play as well as "how many of what" do you do in that setup?
Appreciate it my friend


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Well I dont actually count how many of each format I have running. But 25-30 tabling seems ok at least when games are not focused to 6max. Some misclicks does happen and have to have full focus on actions or things turn to very hectic very quickly :)


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Also gets easily into "auto mode" during mass multitabling. E.g. had this hand versus Tim today. Moment after shoving river I thought that now I went and overplayed my hand. Versus most players it would be standard line though imo.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,495)
Hero ($1,410)
UTG ($1,125)
UTG+1 ($1,640)
CO ($1,470)
BTN ($1,860)

Dealt to Hero 2♣ Q♣

fold, UTG+1 calls $30, fold, fold, SB calls $15, Hero checks

FLOP ($90) 9♣ 2♥ 2♠

SB bets $75, Hero calls $75, UTG+1 folds

TURN ($240) 9♣ 2♥ 2♠ 5♣

SB bets $195, Hero calls $195

RIVER ($630) 9♣ 2♥ 2♠ 5♣ 8♥

SB bets $390, Hero raises to $1,110 (AI), SB calls $720

SB shows 2♦ A♠
(Pre 71%, Flop 75.9%, Turn 68.2%)

Hero shows 2♣ Q♣
(Pre 29%, Flop 24.1%, Turn 31.8%)

SB wins $2,850


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

That was going to be my next question - 20-25 tabling 6 max at those limits would be very difficult ( I assume they play back at 60s and 100s often and get involved in a lot of post flop). IF you get the chance some day, write me out the layout of limits and formats in those 20-25 tables - I am very curious!
Hand vs Tim I think he always has trips or full house on this flop especially vs reg (you) - the best case scenario is TPTK, but he will never turn it into bluff on river. Also he is playing from blinds vs UTG so in this case when he donk bets he is most time repping really strong hand. When faced with river raise its trips or some full house - never expect him to have any bluff there (my 2 cents) :)


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