JJ turn/river line

I prefer the check behind on the turn and going for thin river value if possible. We can also soul-read his river sizing this way. Usually fish will overshove 6x and bet small with top pairs. So I would happily call anything up to half pot on the river if he leads and go for a small vbet myself if he checks (your size is good).

wp

in my opinion this is standart spot for bet bet shove on fair ammount of turn and river cards.

so with on the flop with ef. spr of 2.8 i would go for betting 44% of the pot on each street with allin on the river.

everything else seems to me like a huge waste of value

You think we can get 3 streets on this board from worse?
I think we will be valuetowning ourselves vs better hand a very large amount of the time, or not getting two streets. without a specific read that he is super stationy (i.e. will call 3 times with hand like K7/79 or something on this board) i think it is very thin if any value at all..

Villain is 49/24/2.6 80 hands.

it's too thin in a STT with this stack set-up IMO.

ICM and chip preservation apply this close to the bubble.

Maybe it would be standard in 2008 SnGs, but not these days.

i disagree with this:

ICM and chip preservation apply this close to the bubble.

by having very little risk aversion in 4 players we set us to being often chipleader on the buble.
by winning 1000-2000 chips here, we are taking control of this SNG, getting chiplead and winning this game very often.
in my opinion you dont understand ICM model and dont fully take advantage of this concept.

going for 2 streets is winning us a 2k pot. going for 3 streets thin value is wining us 4.5k pot.

winning 2k pot still gives us the CL without taking a risk for our whole stack.

The benefits of pot control on a 4 straight board outweigh thin value in this spot. IMO

what games do you play btw?

I like your input helps the duscussion.

oki, that makes sense

i play 9man sngs. low/mid/high stakes. we sometimes play together. i applied for your xmas coaching offer. if you will have time after new year i would be very happy to talk with you.

decided that i will be more active in this HJ forum since it has potential to improve my level of thinking by discussing tough spots with the best players.

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