Originally posted by YohanN7
Don't think the ratio by itself is important. What's important is what you make of the time when studying.Hell, I can watch 5 Boomer videos in 1 day as mere entertainment. Better is to watch one and try to digest the contents. (Same applies to reading, session evaluations, etc)
Same applies to playing.
Studying is important, buy playing is just as important. You can study all you want, but if you don't give yourself enough room to incorporate new theories into your game that won't help you much.
In my opinion you learn a lot by playing a lot. Of course you should do session reviews and whatnot on the side, as well as watching videos or getting coaching. However, some people really overdo it a bit on the studying I think.
For example, a 3:1 ratio of studying:playing like JCSeerup mentioned seems way too much to me. I'd almost rather it'd be the other way around, although that may be a bit too much as well.
I'm not sure what an optimal ratio is, and that probably depends a lot between players too. Some will want to study a bit more than others because that's just their nature.
However, I personally would much rather play more than study more, because playing a lot and getting experience is very important as well. And if you use your study time well, I don't think that should be a problem at all 
Some people learn quicker than others and there's also the preferred study method, not all people like learning the same way.
Study smart, play smart, ratio is a personal preference imo. Although I suspect playing >studying initially for most I am of the opinion it should be the other way round, which seemingly flies in the face of popular culture, given fast poker this and hyper turbo that (no data on that, just an opinion).
I would be interested to find someone who can show me evidence to the contrary of course, but I've yet to find someone who could run before they could walk.
I'd say the ratio of 80/20 (playing/studying) seems quite solid.
Studying is very important. The one trait every top player I have interviewed has shared is an enthusiasm for learning. In most cases the biggest single form of learning is just talking poker with a coach/buddy.
Originally posted by TinoLaan
Studying is important, buy playing is just as important. You can study all you want, but if you don't give yourself enough room to incorporate new theories into your game that won't help you much.In my opinion you learn a lot by playing a lot. Of course you should do session reviews and whatnot on the side, as well as watching videos or getting coaching. However, some people really overdo it a bit on the studying I think.
For example, a 3:1 ratio of studying:playing like JCSeerup mentioned seems way too much to me. I'd almost rather it'd be the other way around, although that may be a bit too much as well.
I'm not sure what an optimal ratio is, and that probably depends a lot between players too. Some will want to study a bit more than others because that's just their nature.
However, I personally would much rather play more than study more, because playing a lot and getting experience is very important as well. And if you use your study time well, I don't think that should be a problem at all
I actually meant 3:1 playing: studying I agree the other way around would be too much study and not enough playing.
Question 2: BRM?
This question is very player depended. First of all whats your variance? How many Tables do you play? Do you fokus more ono Rakeback or on Winnings?
But leaving all these Questions behind there is one answere.
Whats your monthly expesces? Make sure you can afford taking off a month or two or even more important losing 2-3 month i a row.
Say you play NL100 and need to cash out 1500$ per month. you wont be very safe with a 10k Bankroll. even 20k is very close.
It all depends on your midset. But i´d say as a professional Pokerplayer you should run 200 Stacks BRM if you playing NL200 or NL100. as son as you move up you can allways go down and make aggressive shots wenn you hit the, lets say 50k$ mark. It all depends on your winrate, your monthly expenses and your mindset.
As a recreational no queston. 10-15 Stacks and a solid up-/downmoving scedule. And plan to move up or down a few limits within a day.
Theory/Play ratio:
Everyone should be able to estimate rougly how quick he can learn. If your on the slower side, u probably want 1-2 hrs of therorie for every 5 hrs you grind. if your very quick and able to bring in your own thoughts you may want to learn only 1 hr for every 5 hrs grind.
I think all these question are VERY playerdepended. Imo you cant argue alot about that without a certain playerprofile.
Originally posted by BarryCarter
I'd say the ratio of 80/20 (playing/studying) seems quite solid.Studying is very important. The one trait every top player I have interviewed has shared is an enthusiasm for learning. In most cases the biggest single form of learning is just talking poker with a coach/buddy.
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Day 7
How strictly should you use a stop loss and how do you go about implementing it? If you dont like to check results mid session how do you deal with making sure youre not playing while tilting
I always try to stick to a stop loss of 3BI's, It's rare I go beyond this because I know that after I know I'm down, my A-Game isn't on the table anymore.
I will start to chase loses instead of trying to play well.
As for checking results, I try not too but I will check them if I feel I'm doing very well or very bad so that I can check if I'm near my stop loss limit & if I'm doing well to just chill and continue playing the way I am, as my results are looking like my A-Game is on! (Rock)
How do I deal with tilt? I stop playing ♦
I don't have a stop loss. The only stop loss I have is when I know that I play bad I just quit session. I am pretty much always up-to-date with my results during my sessions, I am not results oriented, I just keep track of my play i.e. redline, blueline, EV line to spot some errors in my game, maybe it sounds stupid to some but it helps me.
If I run a lot under EV I know that I play well, and if my redline suddenly plummets I realize that I have started to get in some spots I shouldn't etc.
Regards,
Rihard
My stoploss is whatever is in my poker account at a certain room (usually 15-25 BI, and as 8-15 of them are at the tables, it's effectively 7-10; mind that it's in PLO, so in NLHE it would correspond to a 3-5 BI stoploss and a 10-17 BI siteroll). The rest can be transferred into the (unused) sports betting account for safety. I hate seeing Tiltbreaker's notifications - I don't want reminders about being 'medicated' - so I don't use it. I can afford this attitude, though 
If I sit and play bad/run bad/not be in the mood/get distracted/ etc., etc., etc., I sit out, even after say 10 hands or less. I am very disciplined about that - mostly. As long as I feel I'm playing well and feeling good, I stay, or if I'm experimenting with something new, losing or not.
I do not however, have a strict 2/3/4/5 BI stop loss, I can't see the point.
I just wonder if having a very strict stop loss could even have a detrimental affect on one's play. For example, why does losing a set 3BI stop loss amount suddenly mean I'm not playing well any more so I sit out? I'm losing so this means I'm not playing my so-called A-game? That's a bit arrogant surely?
Maybe I've missed the point and/or put mine badly.
As for dealing with tilt, my life is tilt, what's new! 
I do get Mal's point but don't agree.
If someone has a very strong mental game he's right for sure. Most of us don't have that mental game and we play worse when we are down x BI. I stop at around 2-3BI. I know I'm playing a bit scared money then so not the A-game.
How often do I check? Well when I know I'm playing crap I check a lot because I don't want to spew a lot. When I'm crushing I never check really. I thought about buying Tiltbuster because that would prevent me to look at the results. Looking all the time even when running shit isn't ideal but when do you know when you've hit stop loss? Been wondering this for a long time. The only answer I found was tilt buster.
Originally posted by pleno1
Day 7How strictly should you use a stop loss and how do you go about implementing it? If you dont like to check results mid session how do you deal with making sure youre not playing while tilting
I dont know how to NOT checking result during a session. I mean, that's one of the pleasures of the game
I'm another in the "no stop loss" camp.
If I had one, I would end up with too many losing sessions.
Most of my sessions graphs are U-shaped -- ugly at first, then I recover it.
However, If I DO start out winning, by more than 2 BI, I will stop if I lose half of that.
If I have no clue whether I'm winning or losing, I quit when supper is ready.
(or the tables break up, or it is past my bedtime)
I also play close attention to my mental state, and will quit at any time if I lose composure at any time.
Cheers,
--VS
Well, for me, as a breakevenish player, the pleasure is in not knowing my real winnings precisely because it's hard to calculate the amount of cashback owed by the room for the session, so I don't get upset when I see the siteroll plummet because I'll need to redeposit a couple of times on average anyway until monthly promo payments come through
i stoploss in between 2-3bi. while i might not play that much more badly, the feeling that i get after a -5BI or worse session is still very depressing.
i check results mid-session and yeah, i don't think it actually affect my decisions, just sometimes i feel like i quit too early because of it.
like, if i'm down 1 BI and don't feel like i'm playing that great, i already just quit
or, if i've had a few losing sessions in a row, i'll book a small win just to feel better about myself. WEAK MINDSET LOL
I don't have a stop loss because I am not result oriented I keep this in my mind :
(we are not playing Vs one hand we are not result oriented ,We are playing Vs ranges ,We are the Pros ♦ )
...I don't look to my bankroll during a session and also during weeks around (30 k hands )
if things go really bad like losing 4 -6 bi's in row (less than ten minutes) I quite ,because it is hard to not think about them and keep playing the A game..
Thanks.
Ah, Stop Loss!
I play mtsng's, so my stop loss would be in the region of 20 straight nocashes. Unfortunately, that happens pretty often. So rather, I try to focus on the game, and quit only if I'm playing a consistently bad C game.
As for not checking account balance, I have read so much psychology about it, right from Moshman on how its all one session, to Kahnemann on loss aversion. But nope, can't do it, I still check after every session. How do i make it stop?
Late to the party but inputting:
1.Poker would evolve differently. You know for bots - better security from sites, more transparancy, different forms of poker, etc. The game will last i believe 10-20 years for sure. I also believe in 5-6 years the markets will reunite. This is a big bussiness and they'll try to keep it that way.
2.I use >100BI BRM but was an addept of 30-50BIs with shots for improvement for NL Holdem. There was once a site
https://www.google.fr/search?q=variation+calculator&rlz=1C1ASUM_enFR546FR546&oq=variation+calculator&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7732j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=evplusplus evplusplus for a variance simulator and you could calculate the risk/reward and % of that happening depending on your standart deviation and winrate but now it's down. The games getting tougher means your bb/100 going down and stdev goind up so now higher BRM required for a pro. I also think everyone should figure out his comfort zone.
Inbe4 3 - pleno decided he won't lose daily time on day 3 ♦
3. Screen names = 3-6 months I believe would be correct.
4. Micros have always been a method of attracting players to poker so I believe it should be raked so that the limit is beatable enough to be living decently from the micros. I actually believe that nowadays the rake system is very well thought out.
5. 100 BBs was just enough money to be bluffing/value betting pot sized 3 streets with 4bb raise, as was played before. Right now CAP is a new to play :P. For players who like it deeper there are 200-250bbs tables etc. I think for now is a good format until the game evolves even more.
6. Studying is a way of improving or just keeping the same level. Our brain needs repeating the information so that it doesn't forget it. Another thing is that the game evolves and not studying makes you win less/lose more. From 1:3-1:10 is decent i believe. Some people play as long as they feel they have a good edge and then if play goes wrong they just study for a day,two,three, a week. Everyone has his own way but studying needs to be part of your job. Even studying the winrates at the limits or just making some math helps.
Keep it comming!
