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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

faceing a 3bet from a fish that 3bets 0.9% but the guy is 50bb deep. Is it +EV to call here and go for the setmine or should i fold couse he is to shortstacked?

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$2.50/$5 No Limit Holdem
HEM2
10 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1,202.23) 240bb
stttNNN (UTG+1) ($651) 130bb
UTG+2 ($1,868.60) 374bb
MP1 ($1,417.72) 284bb
MP2 ($698.49) 140bb
MP3 ($1,032.35) 206bb
CO ($1,062.74) 213bb
BTN ($524.10) 105bb
SB ($259.94) 52bb
BB ($500) 100bb

Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 10 players) stttNNN is
UTG+1
4♠ 4♦
1 fold, stttNNN raises to $17.50, 6 folds, SB raises to $47.50, 1 fold, stttNNN folds

Final Pot: $5
stttNNN shows
4♠ 4♦

SB wins $75 (net +$22.50)

stttNNN lost $17.50

one more spot where i feel like u maybe have to call and try to play him out couse i get a good price. The guy who is 3beting us now is pretty tight player 1.7% 3bet and he will barrel all streets almost every singel time his is pfr in a 3bet pott and folds 20% to c/r in 3bet potts so i dont see how i will have a chanse to get him foldning a overpair wich is a problem i think.

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$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
HEM2
10 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1,809.31) 181bb
UTG+1 ($1,990) 199bb
UTG+2 ($1,453.05) 145bb
MP1 ($2,349.86) 235bb
MP2 ($1,007.88) 101bb
stttNNN (MP3) ($1,052.18) 105bb
CO ($2,499.91) 250bb
BTN ($1,006.65) 101bb
SB ($280.23) 28bb
BB ($1,100) 110bb

Pre-Flop: ($15, 10 players) stttNNN is MP3 9♣ 7♣
5 folds, stttNNN raises to $30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $70, 2 folds, stttNNN folds

Final Pot: $35
stttNNN shows
9♣ 7♣

BTN wins $115 (net +$45)

stttNNN lost $30


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jonnyjm
Joined: 24.03.2008

You probably shouldn't be playing NL500 if you are asking this question. It's a pretty standard fold as you don't have the implied odds to set mine.


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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

its not NL500 couse it is a swedish site with swedish currency. its like NL50€. the qustions are pretty std things but i just wanna here from other ppl so im not doing anything wrong. If u dont ask u will never know.. :f_love:


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You have about 7.5:1 (12%) to hit a set on the flop but then it all comes to your implied odds. You can call more loosely or more tightly depending on how much money you think villain will put in the pot after the flop.

Since villain is supertight in this specific hand I would call if it was for 10% of my stack or less and villain had me covered. The bet of 47.50 is equal to ~18,3% of villains stack which gives you terrible odds to call. If villain instead had a stack of $475, which makes the bet exactly 10% of his stack, this is a call, given that he has a superstrong hand that he probably wont fold if you hit a set.

Hand #2 is an easy fold in my opinion. Your (and villains) stack size doesn't give you the right implied odds to call here, especially out of position. Suited connectors and gappers play well postflop only with deep stacks and position is essential to get maximum value.


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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

Originally posted by jeppann
You have about 7.5:1 (12%) to hit a set on the flop but then it all comes to your implied odds. You can call more loosely or more tightly depending on how much money you think villain will put in the pot after the flop.

Since villain is supertight in this specific hand I would call if it was for 10% of my stack or less and villain had me covered. The bet of 47.50 is equal to ~18,3% of villains stack which gives you terrible odds to call. If villain instead had a stack of $475, which makes the bet exactly 10% of his stack, this is a call, given that he has a superstrong hand that he probably wont fold if you hit a set.

thx for comment!


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FFRRAANNKKIIEE
Joined: 30.12.2010

Originally posted by stttNNN
its not NL500 couse it is a swedish site with swedish currency. its like NL50€. the qustions are pretty std things but i just wanna here from other ppl so im not doing anything wrong. If u dont ask u will never know.. :f_love:
I was going to ask where do you find 2.5/5 FR game..
PS correct fold.


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

1st hand I would fold as well. 2nd hand I would call actually. Despite being OOP, the hand plays well postflop.

Rihard


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mesisification
Joined: 05.08.2011

First hand easy fold, second hand I would call vs wider range but this specific villain seems pretty tight, I don't think we can call.


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Originally posted by mesisification
second hand I would call vs wider range but this specific villain seems pretty tight, I don't think we can call.

Quite opposite, if villains range is tighter we should be more inclined to call this hand, if someone is 3betting very wide it is better to fold because when we hit it is less likely that we gonna get paid, and vs tight players we can get paid off easily when we hit straight/flush/two pair vs their overpairs/TPTK etc.

Regards,

Rihard


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mesisification
Joined: 05.08.2011

Originally posted by Rihard4a

Originally posted by mesisification
second hand I would call vs wider range but this specific villain seems pretty tight, I don't think we can call.

Quite opposite, if villains range is tighter we should be more inclined to call this hand, if someone is 3betting very wide it is better to fold because when we hit it is less likely that we gonna get paid, and vs tight players we can get paid off easily when we hit straight/flush/two pair vs their overpairs/TPTK etc.

Regards,

Rihard

You could be right, I'm not that sure about this when I think about it again.


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