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NL 4 AA flop shove?

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kakadu144
Joined: 18.09.2011

888 Poker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $7.12
MP: $4.19 (VPIP: 16.94, PFR: 10.48, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 127)
CO: $1.54 (VPIP: 65.22, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: $8.13 (VPIP: 17.41, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 229)
SB: $5.25 (VPIP: 73.08, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BB: $4.00 (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A♣ A♥

Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.14, fold

Flop: ($0.36, 2 players) K♥ 4♦ 3♣
SB bets $5.09, Hero calls $5.09

Turn: ($10.54, 2 players) 8♣

River: ($10.54, 2 players) K♣

Hero shows A♣ A♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 84%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)
SB shows K♠ 3♠ (Full House, Kings full of Threes) (Pre 16%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)
SB wins $10.02

I just can't fold against fish even if is he passive or deep by both...Is it big mistake to call this shove?


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If I have noted the fish being really aggressive I am snap calling this. Without a specific read on what kind of fish I will call anyway :P Fish stack with some really dumb hands sometimes. He could have had 56, some gutters, pair of 5s or 6s but mostly KX hands which you crush, so unless he has been playing very passively throughout the game I think this is an easy call.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think just call preflop and shove flop is very very strong ling even from a fish. You have very little hands from the villain but it seems like he is pretty passive. I think he's range here might be something like: JJ+,K3,K4,43,44,33,AK

In that case we have about 50% equity. If we change villains range to two pairs, sets, AK and KK+ we have only 34%. We have invested only 0.16 in the pot. I think we should fold this one.

You said that you find it difficult to fold vs fish. That's the same mental problem I used to have and I ended up losing money.


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amater0001
Joined: 07.04.2011

In my experience, that's never KK,
and rarely 44, 33.
Most likely Kx or tilt shove QQ.


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ChoChikun
Joined: 15.10.2008

Fold it without strong reads! No need to gamble with 125 BB on 8 BB pot. You goal here is to crush NL4 and move up.

Originally posted by pockettones
If I have noted the fish being really aggressive I am snap calling this. Without a specific read on what kind of fish I will call anyway :P Fish stack with some really dumb hands sometimes. He could have had 56, some gutters, pair of 5s or 6s but mostly KX hands which you crush, so unless he has been playing very passively throughout the game I think this is an easy call.

@pockettones
This is also answer to your topic from yesterday. You have 40BI swings on NL5 because you are calling on spots like this. Learn to find Fold button and you could win almost every session on NL5.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by amater0001
In my experience, that's never KK,
and rarely 44, 33.
Most likely Kx or tilt shove QQ.

According to stats villain is pretty passive preflop. And why do you think that in he's calling range there is rarely pocket pairs like 44 or 33? Also villain has over 100bb stack so we do not have any reason to think that he is tilting. If he had only 50bb left or something, I would call this too but now it is easy fold.


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Tunatic
Joined: 13.03.2011

Hard to say what the right approach is. Stats come in handy A LOT in such situations, but unfortunately you have 27 hands on that guy. But even that small sample tells you the guy is a fish, he VPIP'd 73% of those 27 hands, which is huge, so you can put him on a REALLY wide range in this hand, including K3 of course.

Therefore, based on my experiences at the micro stakes, I would be folding this, there's no point risking a whole stack. I'd say it's a coinflip, when you push the call button like you did (you've got about 50% chance that you'll be ahead of him when you show the hand). I mean, as I said, it's impossible to say what he's got with the stats we have on him. He could be holding air or a monster, you never know with these fish. Don't play lottery, donate him the 16 cents you put into the pot, you know you will eat the money off him in the future hands at the table.


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