Spending My Days At 2NL

Hi Maythany!

Do you think is a good idea to do this mass multi tabling at $1.5?

I'm talking here a little bit influenced by poker's pro comments "is a bad idea multi tabling micro-limits".
That because you could focus on your own game and grow up limits (where you really start to make some somey).

I think there's a lot of spots at $1.5 that happens too at $3.5 and $7 and even $15 (based on what I see in the coachings).

But I think the game also changes, and so, a lot of what you play at $1.5 you will not play at higher limits and what you don't play you should start to play.
So, there's another point to don't multi tabling micros.

Well, I'm not here telling to don't do that. I just want to discuss this points in order to help improve our games.

cheers man!

My laptop broke which sucks because I got a lot of valuable information in it and I can't play any poker either.

May be getting a cheap one this weekend.

Hey I'll answer that later I'm at work right now on my iPhone lol

Originally posted by maythany
My laptop broke which sucks because I got a lot of valuable information in it and I can't play any poker either.

May be getting a cheap one this weekend.

Waw...that's bad =/

But, you can take off the HD and got everything there, can't you?

Since maythany is experiencing technical difficulty - I'll hijack his blog!!!

Originally posted by rmslobato
That because you could focus on your own game and grow up limits (where you really start to make some somey).

I think this part is key - as long as you are not multi-tabling to the point that you can't think about your game while you are playing. Everyone wants to improve their game and move up stakes, and I don't think you can do that just by reviewing your game after you play - you need to be thinking about it while playing.

If you are playing so many tables that you are in automatic mode, you are not able to focus on learning anything new or applying newly learned concepts well. The question is how many tables can a person play before they hit that point. For me it is about 4-6 tables. I suspect for maythany it is probably many more tables than that.

I agree with this, learning is definitely the main priority. That said, you need bankroll to move up to the next level regardless of skill level.

Getting the balance right between few enough tables so you're not on autopilot and enough tables to make grinding bankroll worthwhile, is key. At the moment I feel i'm ready for the next level but due to running under EV there is definitely an emphasis on grinding.

Good comments by Ramble and Paul.

Is better find this equilibrium point playing the 1.5, become very confident with so many spots as you can, and then apply that in the higher limit with more tables.
Eventually you will play some automatic mode, but this automatic mode will be much better than it was before if you move up after already multi table the 1.5

Great stuff by ramble and Pauln, two guys who I have a lot of respect for.

I 20 table stacked then 16 tile after I lose 4.

Why do I play so many tables? I play these amounts because it's challenging for me.
I want to challenge myself and see how far I can take it. I personally thought 8 was the max for me, but after adding more tables and pushing myself, 8 isn't the max anymore.

I also mass table because one of my role models in poker is Randy Lew also known as nanonoko. I saw a video of him mass tabling 24 tables and I told myself that I'll be able to do that one day and efficiently too.

Honestly I would say I'm on autopilot 90% of the time and the 10% is when I'm making an estimate on my opponents pushing/calling range. The majority of the players at $1.50 either play at level 0 or 1 so I don't really need to play anything other than ABC poker to be profitable. Of course I don't play ABC because it's boring, but I'm just saying.

I can move up, but I have personal goals that I set for myself awhile ago that I want to achieve like gold star playing on 1.50 games. When I move up, I'll cut down the tables so I can become use to the difference in play and then eventually mass table again.

Moreover, I think it's good to start mass tabling at the 1.50 because when you move up, you'll already know your table cap. When you move up too soon, you won't know whether you can physically and mentally endure 15+ tables at a time.

Another thing I want to talk about is of course money and ROI. Say we have a 6 tabler playing 4 hours a day because he has commitments outside of poker. So that's 24 games a day and say he makes 16 cents a game, therefore he is expected to make $3.84 a day from playing poker casually. Now say we have a mass tabler playing 20 tables and the same amount of time.

Say he makes 7 cents a game which is within reason IMO. So he makes $5.60 a day and that's excluding cash bonuses he will get too. Although the mass tablet will make more money in the long run, his swings will be crazier than the 6 tablers because of ROI differences.

Overall, I play so many tables because it challenges me, it challenges me to make quicker decisions in hot spots because my time is limited. I used to sweat a lot playing a lot of tables, now I don't.

If it means anything, only mass table because you want to and want to push yourself. Although the pro poker players do make good points, the decision is ultimately up to you.

Typed on my iPhone btw

Take Care

Maythany

I do agree that multi tabling isn't the most important at the lowest stakes BUT, You will definitely be more comfortable when multi tabling at higher stakes. 6-8 tables at the 30's will be a breeze. Just set some good time aside for reviewing and studying and you'll be fine.

I don't think that anyone who studies the game here on PS (you guys in particular) should be afraid to move up. As Paul says though, the BR aspect for someone who can't refuel if they hit a bad downer is certainly something to be aware of.

Play as many tables which gives you the best hourly. More tables may bring down the ROI but will hopefully serve to give us a bigger hourly. But we know this.

I personally am focussing on 6 tables but plan to get to 8 and will probably stick at that.

No shame in taking a shot and coming back down

I don't disagree any point you said.

The only thing is, from the point of view of money, you would say the same thing between play less tables at 30s or mass multi tabl 7s.

I still think you can improve much more playing less tables. And the game will be such that you'll add more tables without difficuties.

As you said is a challenge, ok.

"Typed on my iPhone btw"

That's a challenge!

If we can mass table comfortably then why not? I personally struggle with 6+ especially if I don't stagger buy in times. I just played 6 at same time got HU in 5 and came second in 4. The 1 I won was the last one which had my full concentration. Tells me something indeed!!

I need help with HU play

6 max is a bit more hectic though.

may i ask you what roi do you have by 20 tabling?

My laptop broke and it has all my data on it.

I can't give you an exact ROI, but I play both KO and turbo FR STT games.

Added together that's 1337 + 1889 (for 2012)= 3226 games

ROI 10.9 + ROI 5.1 = 16.0/2 = ROI 8%

I don't know if the ROI calc for the two games are correct or not.

Sample size is rather small too.

There's a lot I actually want to talk about with regards to multitabling.

Can we withhold this discussion later when I actually have a laptop?

Typing on my iPhone is so damn anboying lol.

Lol, when do you get it sorted?

sure
anyway, i also dont have my laptop for a few weeks so you are not the only one checking messages and making posts on pokerstrategy from the smartphone

guess who's back, back, back again?

Maythany's back, back, back, tell a friend!

we're on skype right now

Lost a bunch of SNG videos and just today downloaded 50+ sng videos that I had on my old laptop.

It turns out I did sync my hand to the cloud, but upon importing it my hands on my new laptop were just all messed up.

So I had to purge it all and I'm looking to retrieve all my information on my hard drive from my old laptop sometime next month.

So a little info about this laptop, it's a 2008 3gb (I upgraded ram), intel core 2 duo cpu t7300 @2.00 ghz and it's a 32-bit operating system.

I'm going to be preparing for the February goal and honestly it's between the boarderline between whether I can actually achieve it or not. I think that it's a good thing to have goals you aren't quite sure if you can achieve it or not.

Because if you know you can easily achieve a particular goal then you're not even going to try or be as motivated to do it.

More importantly, easily achievable goals don't push you as hard as boarderline one. Will I make it or fail? Who knows, only time will tell.

Also a staking deal is about to end soon so I'm going to get around 60-70 dollars back and that'll increase my BR substantially.

:f_love: :f_love:

Take Care,

Maythany

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