Even if it was even money I'd prob take it since it's guaranteed and I assume second gets significantly less. Title is worthless to me since I'd just retire and learn to play ukulele or something.
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Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
Even if it was even money I'd prob take it since it's guaranteed and I assume second gets significantly less. Title is worthless to me since I'd just retire and learn to play ukulele or something.
This. Snapcall the deal. He offered the deal so I don't see why would it be unfair to accept.
Bracelet is worth very little in my eyes.
Originally posted by Harrier88
... it is extremely bad sportsmanship to deliberately throw a game...
Perhaps I misunderstood the question.
I assumed the scenario described was that taking the deal didnt have to involve loss of integrity or anything. You do a deal and the game is done.
Perhaps I only wanted to read it that way as 'would you sellout for x$' is far less interesting then how much monetary value does the ME title mean to you (IMO ofcourse.)
Originally posted by MasochisticDesire
I assumed the scenario described was that taking the deal didnt have to involve loss of integrity or anything. You do a deal and the game is done.
Meaning that your opponent openly offers you this deal and the official staff of the event approves of it?
Yeah, that would definitely change my answer. I still don't see what my opponent would have to gain, though. He would just be known as the guy who bought the title (for 133% of its value, no less), while I would probably be considered the true champion, and possibly even get all the endorsement deals etc. that the winner would normally get.
The way I understood the question was that your opponent discreetly contacts you during a break and asks you to deliberately play bad in order to let him win.
Originally posted by MJPerry
Originally posted by pleno1
February 4thYou are HU for the WSOP main event. You are offered a deal, 12m for letting the other player win. If you win withut a deal you get 9m. What do you do?
Assuming I'm guaranteed that deal to go through, I snap call.
It would be nice to be WSOP champ, but I would rather have more money and no pressure to be an ambassador or represent poker or be obligated to compete in all the super high rollers and such. Plus with $12m I could easily gun for more bracelets down the road.
Says it all! Snapcall imo. I play poker for the money not for the fame.
My biggest dream is to win the main event, I don't care if I make $9 or $12 million. I just want to go out and live it up like the idols I had when I started playing poker. I want to go to big events with famous people, make commercials with hot models and all that stuff that comes with the ME bracelet if you play it right.
Obv. money also matters, I want to take care of my family and live a nice lifestyle, but if one can't make $9 millions last I highly doubt one can make $12 million last.
^ Right, there are so many different people and views that such deals can happen; actually, that's why poker games run.
I'm in the dealing camp... which is not uncommon for an iPoker reg's personality, as opposed to some Stars regs who go for fame, hehe. (Why do you torture yourself by SN/SNE, as opposed to semi-torturing yourself by allegedly bad software that can however be tamed by a bunch of helper programs, experience and patience?)
Really interesting responses 
February 5th
You are a cash game grinder and near about a 500k gtd 1000 buy in, what bankroll should you have to play this event without pushing brm?
You will play just the one off tournament, but you are a professional poker player.
Originally posted by pleno1
February 4thYou are HU for the WSOP main event. You are offered a deal, 12m for letting the other player win. If you win withut a deal you get 9m. What do you do?
I'd take the championship since I'm awesome and I'd be a great ambassador for the game.
Originally posted by pleno1
February 5thYou are a cash game grinder and near about a 500k gtd 1000 buy in, what bankroll should you have to play this event without pushing brm?
You will play just the one off tournament, but you are a professional poker player.
I guess the 100 buy-in rule would be overdoing it if it's just a one off.
Maybe $50,000? With a bankroll like this, you could be playing NL2000, so it would be half a stack.
Sorry for OT, but where can we find pleno1 responses to the questions? (would be a good idea to actually have a link/we in the 1st post)
Thanks
Feb 5th: it depends on what (post-reward) ROI is projected, which of course correlates with the cash game winrate, and the needed bankroll is roughly inverse proportional to the ROI.
The Kelly BRM rule is 100 * (ROI%+100%-ITM%) / (ROI% * ITM%) BIs. For a good reg with 30% expected ROI, given that a typical ITM is 15% in COOPs, it's thus 100 * (30+100-15) / (30*15) ~ 25 BIs, i.e $25K. For a meh reg with 15% ROI and 14% ITM, it's $1000 * 100 * (15+100-14) / (15*14) ~ $48K.
Very risk-averse people need 1.5-2 times more than Kelly suggests.
The decision whether to play doesn't depend on how many tourneys are to be played in a series, it depends only on the current size of the bankroll and expectation of performance in the tourney, and should be taken separately for each tourney (if we leave aside the TLB that usually gives relatively meagre cashback in comparison with the ROI lost playing in games where one doesn't have an edge).
And it goes without saying that tourneys of good value can be played after selling shares even if underrolled (so that your own share of the BI corresponds to your BR), and even if rolled properly, some find it a good idea to sell action with a bloated markup or sell a -EV tourney at face value for the sake of the fame equity ♠_evil:
February 6th
3 successful cash game players (all 500nl regs) take in a builder off the street who is banging too loud and offer him private coaching, to live with them and to live a poker life for 6 months, starting at 2nl and moving up whenever he has won 5bb over 20,000 hands. He will play fast poker, after 6 months where do you think we would end up?
Did you mean 5 bb/100?
Please explain how you're gonna persuade the builder to play lol 2NL for a significant amount of time and with variance when he could do his real job with a salary that satisfies him and no variance. People don't turn their lives around that easily.
this is not the point at all... the point is to know (exactly as the question says) where the guy would be in 5months
I would put him around NL200 or even higher with such coaches and environment
Originally posted by WillyD
this is not the point at all... the point is to know (exactly as the question says) where the guy would be in 5monthsI would put him around NL200 or even higher with such coaches and environment
i think he would most likely quit and go back to his much less stressful job instead ♦ 
This *is* the point as he'll go nowhere without the right mindset, no matter how good the coaches are. And the mindset wouldn't appear fast enough, blame the likely conservative fashion he was brought up.
If bare coaching was sufficient, I'd be crushing PLO100 (analogous to NL200) right now (especially because I wouldn't have to build a roll) after all the study group and forum experience, which isn't happening, partly because I don't internalise coaches' advice well enough, feel bad about acknowledging my mistakes, etc.
The reason why the builder is working in the street might be that he's been unwilling to learn (at high school). Poker requires far more intensive learning (that has to be willingful, it's unacceptable to fasten the poor guy to a chair and make him review sessions - he'll tilt) than many, even intellectual, real jobs.
With 3 nl500 full time coaches I would be willing to go back to nl2 without any regrets.... this is a huge chance and I dont think it would take more than 1 or 2 weeks to beat each limit until maybe... maybe nl50-100...
yea i also believe it would be too big of a change and im not even talking about builders only. most people with steady income jobs wouldnt feel comfy with poker as a 'job'. not at first thats it 
now obviously im not saying someone is less 'smart' or doesnt have capacity to learn new stuff, and boy do you need to learn a lot when you just start your poker career, i just believe its too... different to most 'normal' jobs and it would take some time to get used to it.
I know im yet to do it, and my previous job did also require some amount of thinking too so its not just thinking part, it really is something totally different to most other jobs people are usually used to.
ok that was much longer than i wanted it to be -.- ill stop talking now