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Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by Brostiff
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how is that?

Hey you look way too tight!

I guess some areas that could be leaks

- Not defending BB wide enough
- Not stealing cut off wide enough

You should also 3bet more, I would suggest implementing a 3bet only strategy from the big blind to increase this.

Good luck!

Tnx.
I'm playing on a poker room in which ive no fold equity almost everyone is a 30++ VPI


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Kruppe
Joined: 20.02.2008

Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by Kruppe
wow, since when have good regs been openfolding ~33 in the HJ on tough tabvles? new to me. do theyplay too badly vs good/aggro regs vs 3bets and on flops or what?

What is this sorry?

was referring to 99PROBLEMSS's suggested ranges on the 25th and your reply on the 27th. his MP OR range didn't include 22-44 i think.


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Originally posted by stukkrapoel

Originally posted by Kruppe
wow, since when have good regs been openfolding ~33 in the HJ on tough tabvles? new to me. do theyplay too badly vs good/aggro regs vs 3bets and on flops or what?

Low pocket pairs are so overrated for open raising imo. When called only 12% of the time ur gonna flop a set and 80% of the time you are gonna look at 3 overcards with no chance of improving on a later street.

A herd analysis of regs up to nl400 by a coach (plays nl400-1k) on another site says otherwise. He said something like "don't fold these unless you hate money"


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Grossmeiseter
Joined: 15.10.2007

Hey Pleno,
In your vid "Pleno1 Live Coaching at 50NL" you have the following hand:

You OR QsQh from UTG
Flop is 679hhh and your line ist X/c to mp bet
Turn is 5d and you X/f

Is it to balance your X/f range or why is it?
Please explain it a little bit an which range you would play this way.
What is your plan for the hand?


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sandraardnas
Joined: 11.01.2012

Hey, could you tell what is your w$, wwsf and wts stats? Or at least how do you think those stats should look like when we want to bluff, valuebet and bluffcatch as much as villains lets us?

Thanks


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iMumu
Joined: 17.11.2013

eww this is like the best topic ever, i just read first 15 pages of it (like read read not just take a peek read ) and i love it :heart: :heart: :heart: :f_love:

im still a poker newbie so wont dare to use many stuff i read about just yet, but i absolutely love every min spent on this topic.

ty pleno :heart:


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Hey

Im probably the only reg playing 500 or 1k who doesnt look at wwsf or wtsd, I never looked at those stats which is pretty weird, but just something I have never looked into. Maybe in the future.

Thanks iMumu.


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are there 100nl regs winning at 5bb/100+ losing at red line?

information to give me an idea of what a red line usually looks like for a 5bb/100 reg at 100nl looks like would be much appreciated.

sorry if this is somewhere in forum or something similar, I am new to this forum still learning it. if there is point me in right direction please.


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tukioppilas62
Joined: 01.01.2011

Hi, I'm not sure if this topic is discussed here before but I've got a couple of questions and assumptions about 4betting I would like to discuss.

I'm sometimes struggling on spots were I know that villain is 4betting light and I have some sort of hand like JTs and I'm OOP but I dont want to call the 4bet because I'm not sure if it's +EV and how we can play on different types of textures etc. Even though I see it a lot on videos that ppl. call espceccially at midstakes +.

1) What are the factors we should consider calling a 4bet?

- I guess we can call wider if we have somekind of read that villain is going to play his hand faceup mostlikely postflop. And in position also wider calling range usually than OOP?

2) The more villain 4bets the more we should probably defend by calling - or 5betting depending how wide he calls 5bets? Is that correct?

3) If we notice someone is 4betting light how should we counter? - 3-betting more Ax hands and small pocketpairs OOP to go 3b/5b with and 3b more suited connectors in pos. to call and have a good playability? Or should we just tight up our 3bet range in general?

Would be also great to see a video of playing 4bet pots. When to call when to 5b bluff against certain types of opponents etc. :)


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BloodPet
Joined: 24.01.2007

Hey

I have some questions regarding hands that came up in your recent NL200 zoom training

1. Right in the first few minutes of the video you open JTdd from CO and are called by a player in the SB with ~70bbs stack and somewhat bad-reggish stats of 25/16 and 3% 3bet.

The flop comes 552ssc and you cbet half pot with intention of barreling given his capped range, which is standard.

You get CRaised (6$ to 18$) and you 3bet to 39$ expecting to show a profit in a long run because opp's CR range should be bluff-heavy.

In my opinion 3betting the flop against bad regulars with unbalanced CR ranges on boards that do not connect with either players' preflop range is a great play, however I don't like your play nor your reasoning given your opps profile and board texture in this particular spot. here's why:

a. Opp is not playing for 100bbs which might indicate he is not a regular, which makes his CR-stackoff range wider. A good player will almost never turn his bluffcatcher like A-high or 88 into a bluff in that spot. Fishy player on the other hand is significantly more likely to CR-stackoff all his pocket pairs (all of which are in his preflop calling range) just because he feels like he does not want to see an overcard come off. He sure will not CR 100% time with those, but the thing is when he does, he is not very likely to fold given his stack size.

b. FD on the board makes it a little harder to make that play +EV because flushdraws that CR as a semibluff contain overcards and sure will pile.

c. Since your play targets opps air hands and equity chops i feel like click back+ will be just as good, which means you can make it 30-32$. He is still going to fold his K-highs, Q-highs and other random CR bluffs. Additionally its a nice balance-related bonus to your value range (In other similiar spot in some other video you hold an overpair and get raised on 772 flop. You clickback and say sth like "I just keep clicking back until they spazz out").

2.In a hand somewhere in the middle of the video you hold T6o in BB and face min-open from SB. You defend by calling, which is fine/std by all means. However when I asked you isn't it better to include hands like T6o in your 3b resteal range you replied that "This hand is far too good to 3b and there is no merrit in 3betting it. Hands that I would rather 3b in that spot are J6o or T4o".

Now I don't really know how wide do you defend against minopen from SB. I guess pretty wide, but still not 100% for sure.

T6o is in the top 66% of all hands ina 6handed game
J6o is in the top 64%
t4o is in the top 82%

Even tough I fully understand playability advantage that T6o has over the other two hands I really find it hard to understand why would it be a bad hand to 3b in that spot. When you look at top 66% of hands there is not really much left that is worth defending, which puts T6o somewhere in the bottom of your defending range. Additionally, even tough we do have position and great odds, it's still a marginal hand to play, so if SB is opening too wide and not 4betting aggressively why is it bad to include it in your 3b-fold range?

As far as other two hands go I don't see a reason to defend t4o (which is in top 82% of hands) by 3betting, unless SB is opening a ridiculous amount.

3. The last hand I'd like to aks about is the one with you holding AsTh on the button. You face an open from SB, who plays 24/14 and folds to 3b 7% over a very small sample. You flat preflop, because you don't want to 3b as a bluff. Now I believe preflop can really go either way, but the postflop play/line is what I am more interested in.

The flop comes 229hdd and opp cbets really big making it 11$ into 14$ pot, which I guess is the first indication that he is weithed more towards value. On 229 flop if he cbets as a bluff he's targetting hands that are worse than A-high so it doesnt really make sense for him to make it that big. That does not mean we should fold, but it is some kind of information that
we might find usefull on later streets. You call.

Turn is 8d and he checks. You bet for protection and to fold eq chops, which is close, because hands that you beat and that will fold have really low eq against your hand. I guess its ok against random small d, but thats about it.

Anyway opp calls your bet. The riv is 8c pairing the board and here is where I think you made a big mistake. You decide to bet big representing narrow value range which includes mainly flushes. I guess your hand in that spot is protected, because there might be more flushes/FH there than bluffs when you bet the riv, however i don't really see many (if any) hands that check-call turn and fold riv in opps range. When he cbets dry flop this big and check-calls the turn what are the hands that you are trying to fold out?
I'm pretty sure that most regs will barrel the turn with high diamond and no sd value close to 100% time because your flop calling range contains floats = FE, plus even when they are called by a pair they have at least 1 overcard and fd, plus their protected by value range made of overpairs. There is no reason for him to cc a big diamond on the turn, so when he decides to take that line I think we should put him on a decent bluffcatcher like 9+. If he decides to bluffcatch, there is really no difference between having a 9 and JJ (which he had) because you never turn an overpair
at showdown. Theoretically it seems ok to bet the riv, however based on how the previous streets played out I don't see much FE.

Id like to add that i really like your work, play style and approach to the game and your job. Hope to see more of it.

Regards


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Originally posted by YouWont
are there 100nl regs winning at 5bb/100+ losing at red line?

information to give me an idea of what a red line usually looks like for a 5bb/100 reg at 100nl looks like would be much appreciated.

sorry if this is somewhere in forum or something similar, I am new to this forum still learning it. if there is point me in right direction please.

Yeah there are, don't get too involved with the red line situation it's one of players biggest leaks worrying about it too much changing their 3bb/100 game and becoming spewy and break even


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Originally posted by tukioppilas62
Hi, I'm not sure if this topic is discussed here before but I've got a couple of questions and assumptions about 4betting I would like to discuss.

I'm sometimes struggling on spots were I know that villain is 4betting light and I have some sort of hand like JTs and I'm OOP but I dont want to call the 4bet because I'm not sure if it's +EV and how we can play on different types of textures etc. Even though I see it a lot on videos that ppl. call espceccially at midstakes +.

1) What are the factors we should consider calling a 4bet?

- I guess we can call wider if we have somekind of read that villain is going to play his hand faceup mostlikely postflop. And in position also wider calling range usually than OOP?

2) The more villain 4bets the more we should probably defend by calling - or 5betting depending how wide he calls 5bets? Is that correct?

3) If we notice someone is 4betting light how should we counter? - 3-betting more Ax hands and small pocketpairs OOP to go 3b/5b with and 3b more suited connectors in pos. to call and have a good playability? Or should we just tight up our 3bet range in general?

Would be also great to see a video of playing 4bet pots. When to call when to 5b bluff against certain types of opponents etc. :)

1) this goes back to 3bettig when you 3bet you should have a reason ie

- cut off opens and you are jts on the button you should consider
-- what to do vs 4bet (look at 4bet stat)
-- am I trying to make him fold? (Look at fold to 3bet)
-- am I looking for him to call oop ( look t call 3bet stat)

When he 4bers you should already know what you're going to do. I somebody cold 4berts then you can revalute but it happens pretty rarely tht you don't need to worry about it. Basically, if 100bb deep fold alot when you're over 150bb deep play suited connecting hands, j9s plays surprisingly well.

2) yeah don't 3bet hands you don't know what to do with vs a 4bt against aggressive regulars just take a flop initially

3) call more 4bts with hands such as qjs, aq0 basically when we flop a pair it's going to be the nuts so we should play Hands tht flop very top lairs alot,rather than pretty hands like 65s


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Bloodpet-

Nice post most of the stuff you say is valid ill address some but not in as great detail as your good post.

1) I guess we have different opinions on fishes population tendsncies. I don't expect them to just stack off pocket pairs on the flop sometimes they will fold sometimes they will call and we can improve our hand or our range. They also just. Love to randomly do silly stuff and check raise stupid hands and lately they actually like slow playing. Generally on flush draw boards I won't 3bet flops simply because there's more hands they can rip it in with and if they do have a pocket pair they always put me on a fd which is funny as its the last hand is ever 3bet the flop with. Regarding sizing I manipulate it depending on the opponent. Vs regs I'm balanced and vs fish ill do whatever my instinct tells me will gt me the most calls/folds at the time

2) I defend ru d 70% I meant that if opponent had v high fold to 3bet I'm happy to go further than 70% and add an editional 10% or so of complete 3bet bluffs just to show autoprofit. If he is bad and folding way too much I don't expect Him to be able to re exploit me.

3) I don't remember the hand so well but I was probably retrying to bluff ak/aq but again I can't remember and in spots like this there is usually something to make me want to use a bigger sizing, a stat or tell most likely.

Thanks :))


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Originally posted by pleno1
i suggest 71% for good players at a stake where rake isnt an important amount. i cant say how well you will be able to play these hands as i dont know you, but i would suggest that everybody should be defending over 50% at least as a base.

Hey pleno1,

I'm also interested into this BB vs BU defense.
1. My question to you is, are you willing to 3bet depolarized sometimes?
If yes, then what is your strongest calling hands.
I imagine hands like KTs, KJs, etc. would be the top of our calling range.

2. Is it OK to play never 3bet vs BU strategy from BB and
then we would have also a very strong flatting range.

3. My guess is, that you probably like polarized 3betting range BBvBU.
Then question is, what hands would you prefer to 3bet (bluff and value)with? To be able to
build a stronger flatting range?

Thanks!
EDIT: Oh, yes, it's about 6-max.


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sandraardnas
Joined: 11.01.2012

Hey,
Situation: you opened bu, reg on bb called.
Flop is QcTc6h, he checks, you check back cause flop hits him and you have a hand with no equity.
Turn comes X and he checks again.

Do you think its okay to overbet here on blanks and paired cards,
bet big turn and river on A, K, J, 9,
give up on clubs? What if you had Kc7h and turn is 2 of clubs?

Would you 3 barrel as a bluff here with more bluffs than usual, cause he will have many middle/weak pair+draw type of hand on this flop and on many runouts?

thanks


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99PROBLEMSS
Joined: 29.08.2012

I was wanting to know anything wrong with opening size of 3x. From every postion. And if it is why and what do you think are good sizes. Sorry for the newbie question.


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sentin1ty
Joined: 20.03.2009

Hey pleno hope you can answer my question:
So is it variance or what but my sb wr is -60/100.
I'm trying not to cold call raises and 3bet 77+, offsuited broadways, sometimes ATo and A2s-ATs+.
Should i have some calling range from this position vs ep and other positions?
How to make my wr better?
Thanks


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Hi pleno1, and hi everyone! :f_biggrin:

1) How do you think, which is the best approach to study - master 6mNL ?

2) What did you do to become so successful at poker? :)

3) Currently I'm studying poker for a 4 hours a day, so maybee you have advices how
could I get max Value from these 4 hours. :)

4) What are the best ways of improving one's tought process in a hand ?

The story:
Currently I'm playing 6mNL10 2 tabeling zoom for atleast 6hours a day.
At begining of year I started to play NL2 on regular 6max tables, playing 12 tables at a time, then I moved to NL5, after a week I was already playing NL10, but got owned, so I cut down the amount of tables I was playing - because I was really playing like a robotic hand without thinking much so ended up by playing zoom 2 tables, so I have more time to think on every particular hand. But yeah I don't want to stay in NL10 for too long. So looking for any advices how to improve my game as fast as possible.
The number one thing I want to develop and improve, is my thought process in the hand.

Lots of respect, and thank you in advance! :f_grin:

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elekadammate
Joined: 15.02.2009

Hi Pleno1!

I really like your contents. Usually you explain all the infos i need to understend the spots.

I am interested in a video, reviewing spots by GTO calculations. There is no practicable contents on the site.
Is it possible that you will release a video covered by this topic?


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Originally posted by elekadammate
Hi Pleno1!

I really like your contents. Usually you explain all the infos i need to understend the spots.

I am interested in a video, reviewing spots by GTO calculations. There is no practicable contents on the site.
Is it possible that you will release a video covered by this topic?

Hey buddy
lnternet is by far the best for this type of videos.

You should request it from him I think, hed make a way better video than me on this topic.

Thanks for the nice words :))


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