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opal99
opal99
Joined: 05.02.2008
Posts: 3,426
03.11.2008, 21:32

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;Hero$146,00:///////;MP3$22,00:301/65/13/0,8/42/11/6/50;CO$75,00:22/50/23/1,6/55/50/0/33;[/tg]
3/6 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♥, T♦
MP3 calls, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6,33 SB) J♥, 5♦, 5♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: (4,17 BB) A♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (4,17 BB) K♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8,17 BB


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Yoghi
Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007
Posts: 10,325
04.11.2008, 00:51

I prefer a river c/c, you split all kings, and he will most likely fold all other hands. Looking at his stats there's a decent chance he will bluff.


frzl
frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006
Posts: 7,533
04.11.2008, 10:17

am i the only one who folds the flop with MP3 still behind me ? did nl make me weak ? :)


Yoghi
Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007
Posts: 10,325
04.11.2008, 11:35

MP3 is passive, I wouldn't mind him calling actually.


SeaJaws
SeaJaws
Joined: 04.06.2007
Posts: 974
05.11.2008, 17:40

For 1:4,5 I fold PF, KTo isn't a good hand to continue with, it's often dominated and not well connected.


Yoghi
Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007
Posts: 10,325
05.11.2008, 18:45

Against a player like this I wouldnt mind having KTo :)


_Anonymous_
_Anonymous_
05.11.2008, 21:44

I agree with SeaJaws. This is no standard preflop call an judging him after 22 hands might be wrong as well. KTo doesn't play that well 3-way so just fold it.

I have to equilate the flop to make a decison about that but if it's a call then I like the hand as played. I see some value in a riverbet after his turn check behind. A fold would be tough as he isn't known yet.


_Anonymous_
_Anonymous_
06.11.2008, 16:31

Preflop can be indeed called. I didn't imagine that the fish makes our equity that good (as the raise range form CO increases as well).

Board:
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 26,780% 25,376% 3,021% 71,603% 66-22, A7s-A2s, KTs-K2s, Q3s+, J6s+, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, A9o-A2o, K2o+, Q6o+, J8o+, T9o
Spieler 2: 42,121% 40,273% 3,909% 55,817% 44+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+
Spieler 3: 31,099% 29,150% 4,112% 66,738% KhTd

I think the flop is a fold in a 3-way pot. Or does anyone call with 18% equity?

Board: Jh 5d 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 29,984% 27,293% 5,820% 66,887% 66-22, A7s-A2s, KTs-K2s, Q3s+, J6s+, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, A9o-A2o, K2o+, Q6o+, J8o+, T9o
Spieler 2: 51,375% 48,353% 6,482% 45,165% 44+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+
Spieler 3: 18,641% 16,049% 5,622% 78,329% KhTd

If this is his river range (including some bluffs) then you have to call the raise.

Board: Ac Kc Jh 5d 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 69,811% 47,170% 45,283% 7,547% KK, JJ, 55, K8s+, QTs-Q9s, JTs, K9o+, QTo
Spieler 2: 30,189% 7,547% 45,283% 47,170% KhTd


opal99
opal99
Joined: 05.02.2008
Posts: 3,426
06.11.2008, 17:41

Preflop was 5.3:1, so I decided to call just because MP3 was very loose and 22 hands of CO mean nothing (it could also be iso-raise consciously or unconciously) - wouldn't call it if there was someone else than MP3 probably.

Originally posted by ciRith
I think the flop is a fold in a 3-way pot. Or does anyone call with 18% equity?

Board: Jh 5d 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 29,984% 27,293% 5,820% 66,887% 66-22, A7s-A2s, KTs-K2s, Q3s+, J6s+, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, A9o-A2o, K2o+, Q6o+, J8o+, T9o
Spieler 2: 51,375% 48,353% 6,482% 45,165% 44+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+
Spieler 3: 18,641% 16,049% 5,622% 78,329% KhTd

8.3:1 may be a call even with such low equity (we need 12 with 8.3:1 and 13 if we count rake) taking into account one loose and one maybe-loose opponent. My T out can be enough but should be discounted because of J already shown and K can be dominated (but not so often).. Hitting K on turn gives me chance to c/r even I think donkbet is option too to prevent free card. MP3 won't c/r flop more than 99% of the time (slowplay is strong weapon for fish), so I'm closing flop action ;)

And river seems to be bluff because noone would raise this after check behind on Ace turn (maybe pocket Kings :rolleyes: ), so call should be fine as you said :)

I lost obviously :rolleyes:


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_Anonymous_
_Anonymous_
06.11.2008, 23:21

You can't go with potodds and equity on the flop. :/
I don't know how this is being done but it should be saver to go with odds and outs and ignore the equity here. I just wanted to show that you don't have a lot showdownvalue so it's not worth calling for that reason.

KK is very well in his river range. So of course that's the hand here now. ♦


opal99
opal99
Joined: 05.02.2008
Posts: 3,426
07.11.2008, 02:43

i dont remember if it was KK but it's possible ;)

I got it finaly :)

So, just to make sure it's clear to me:

Pot odds are 8.3:1, so I need ~5 outs to call here - that's from approx's chart; correct? So, does the Equity in table (8) correspond to discounted outs in the first collumn? If so, does it mean I have ~20% pot equity with 5 discounted outs?

Just say: yes/yes/yes ;)

Maybe n00b questions but I'm confused now...


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_Anonymous_
_Anonymous_
08.11.2008, 16:07

1) 4 discounted outs may be fine as well if you give yourself some implied odds but: Yes. :)

2) Should be correct. :)

3) I once read a good rule to calculate your equity by the outs you have. Flop = out * 2 * 2 = equity. Turn = outs * 2 = equity. (That is as there are 47 cards left in the deck and with 1 outs you got 2% of the cards with 2 cards to come on the flop and 1 on the turn.)


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