Nl200 SH- QQ lots of preflop action

Joined: 05.09.2007

11.11.2008, 00:44 0

Stacks:
UTG MadsDam ($190.00)
UTG+1 huborg1 ($362.65)
CO Spisestue ($222.15)
BTN niallrmac ($359.61)
SB -Zero2hero- ($885.25)
BB Hero ($234.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB Q♠ Q♦
MadsDam raises to $7, huborg1 calls $7, 1 fold, niallrmac calls $7, -Zero2hero- calls $6, Hero raises to $40, MadsDam raises to $190, huborg1 raises to $362.65, niallrmac folds, -Zero2hero- folds, Hero calls $194

MadsDam 18/15 3bet 5, hands 900
huborg1 32/15 3bet 1, hands 700

Is there any way for me to fold this with all the dead money in the pot? I know I'm not getting the odds if either 1 of them has AA/KK but does huborg1 pretty much always have AA/KK here?

I think that my raise doesn't look that strong to MadsDam because he's seen me 3bet light/squeeze so I'm way ahead of his shoving range here. I just don't know what to put huborg on. The thing is that he's seen both me and MadsDam play relatively aggressively preflop so I thought that he could maybe have AK/JJ on top of AA/KK. If this is the case then it seems like I need to call because of all the dead money.

6 replies

_Anonymous_

11.11.2008, 06:51 0

I would fold unless these guys are insane or the table has gone wild, and feel pretty good about it, because one of thm will have KK/AA so often.

_Anonymous_

11.11.2008, 09:52 0

this is a fold for me too . i expect to never be ahead here + you have more then 100bb so this makes it easier ... even if you invested 20 bb you still have to call almost 100 bb after a shove and a call ... so muck imo

gggeorgio

Joined: 05.09.2007

Posts: 494

11.11.2008, 15:01 0

Its just that MadsDam had been playing back at me a lot looser than his stats preflop and I wondered if huborg1 had picked up on this and therefore had maybe JJ/QQ/AK in his range.

I just ran some equity calculations:

MadsDam range: 22+,AQo+,AQs+
huborg1 range: QQ+,AKo,AKs
hero: QQ

Here my equity is about 37%.

If I add JJ to huborg1 range then I have 41%.

In both these cases its a call. I know these calculations are very inaccurate because I can't be sure what MadsDam's range is, but I honestly felt like it was actually wider than what I gave him above. I just don't see huborg1 folding QQ/AK here, maybe JJ.

I think this is a very close spot based on the way the table had been playing and I'm still not sure what is best.

_Anonymous_

11.11.2008, 21:52 0

I think MadsDam's range is way tighter than 22+/AQ+, given his stats (which could very well not mean anything if the dynamics of the table were such that he was spewing or tilting or whatever), I would assign him a range of QQ+, AKs. Since you have QQ it's extremely unlikely that he has QQ too, so his range is KK+,AKs, against which you have 27% equity.

And then there is huborg, his range is probably a bit wider, like TT+,AK, but it doesn't really help you.

jezreel

Joined: 28.08.2006

Posts: 1,443

12.11.2008, 12:12 0

for me its a easy fold, because u make a big 3bet, than madsdam 4bets AI, alone against him i see a flip, that could be +EV, but there is huborg with a Coldcall and Push after the whole reraises. ure mostly behind. u got better odds but i think u have no flip anymore....with QQ i find a fold, dont wanna gamble.

TribunCaesar

Joined: 29.04.2007

Posts: 5,548

12.11.2008, 14:06 0

I also muck QQ here, unless I have good reads on both. As said before against UTG it might be close but ok to go broke, but huborgs play looks pretty strong to me. I just muck it and make a note on both.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar

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