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kazediel
Joined: 29.11.2009

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($25) 100bb
CO ($20.45) 82bb
BTN ($32.41) 130bb
Hero (SB) ($25) 100bb
BB ($25.86) 103bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is SB A♠ 10:heart:
1 fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, CO folds, BTN calls $1.75

Flop: 6♥ A♥ K♦ ($5.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: A♦ ($12.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $7.90, BTN calls $7.90

River: 7♣ ($28.30, 2 players)
Hero?

Im facing a 46/12 fish here

Im wondering here if there is more value in shoving or checking, on the one hand, checking lets him bluff his missed draws (and there should be a ton here) but he MIGHT check some trips, on the other hand, betting always gets the value out of his worse trips and he might call with a king sometimes.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Kazediel

Assuming BTN is a fish we probably just have value here preflop. CO likely a fish too, so I think flatting and playing 3-way vs 2 fish is a reasonable option here also.

Flop cbet for value is fine here vs fish. I might sometimes check vs reg but mainly cbet.

Best line depends on villain, although there is a third option here which is not being considered. It's also possible to underbet river. That way we still extract some value from his Kx and trips if he's passive - however we also give him the opportunity to bluff-jam his busted draws and also value-jam his trips if so inclined.


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eSKavuS
Joined: 07.06.2009

Originally posted by w34z3l
Hey Kazediel

Assuming BTN is a fish we probably just have value here preflop. CO likely a fish too, so I think flatting and playing 3-way vs 2 fish is a reasonable option here also.

Flop cbet for value is fine here vs fish. I might sometimes check vs reg but mainly cbet.

Best line depends on villain, although there is a third option here which is not being considered. It's also possible to underbet river. That way we still extract some value from his Kx and trips if he's passive - however we also give him the opportunity to bluff-jam his busted draws and also value-jam his trips if so inclined.

Hi,

2 Questions

Underbet sizing?

When you cbet this flop is your plan to barrel 3 streets? Why mainly cbet vs a reg btw, shouldnt it be the other way around?

Thank you.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by eSKavuS
Hi,

2 Questions

Underbet sizing?

When you cbet this flop is your plan to barrel 3 streets? Why mainly cbet vs a reg btw, shouldnt it be the other way around?

Thank you.

Opponent has around $11 on river. We can bet $3 with intention of calling a shove.

We probably don't have 3 streets of value here unless opponent perceives us to be very aggressive (or we use really small sizings or something). For this reason it can be ok to sometimes check vs a regular. I would often cbet anyway seeing as most regs probably expect us to cbet this texture and won't necessarily be folding even if it's not the greatest board for them.


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