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coolbaasz
Joined: 06.12.2007

$0.5/$1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K :club:, A :club:
MP2 raises, Hero 3-Bets, CO folds, BU calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.5 SB) 2 :diamond:, J :spade:, Q :heart: (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, BU calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) J :diamond: (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero ?

Hey!

I had some discussion about this hand with my friends. We would like to know what do you think about this situation. Thanks in advance!

MP2: VPIP: 54, PFR: 10, 3bet: 0, AF: 1,1, Hands: 117
BU: VPIP: 60, PFR: 35, 3bet: 11, AF: 1,2, Hands: 52


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

I would say bet turn since J isnt that scary but it depends on like the opponents. considering their stats I dont mind betting again since I think he got a lot of blank Ax or Kx or smaller pp's be prepared to fold though.


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

I would just check and check/call the Turn and go from there. After they've both called it's possible that MP has KJ or AJ and BU with his 60 vpip got some random J. The thing is that you don't have to protect your hand. You have the unpaired Nuts, the best unpaired Hand and in a vacuum there is the merrit in charing the opponents for their draws and betting is not awkard of course but since you are not afraid of any overcard and T K A might give you the winning hand, you should check.

I don't think that BU is folding a small pocketpair. MP got a range of AT KTs, JTs KJ and AJ and small pocketpairs that he might be folding if you're betting again, BU is sometimes calling with a worse hand like K9 T8 T9 AT etc. Being in MP2's shoes your turnbet looks strong and with BU as an overcaller, he should release his 66 77 88 and maybe even 99. This is a true benefit of betting the turn.

I am a bit torn between bet and check. I think it's close but from my intuition i'd check the TUrn.

Suggestions?


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Check here as well


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chade28
Joined: 02.12.2011

What else would you guys check beside AK? Considering that we have a very narrow range as we 3 bet an UTG open.

How would your value/check/bluff ranges look like on turn?

I think if we check turn here than we almost turn our cards face up.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by chade28
What else would you guys check beside AK? Considering that we have a very narrow range as we 3 bet an UTG open.

How would your value/check/bluff ranges look like on turn?

I think if we check turn here than we almost turn our cards face up.

I agree completely the guy will always begin to call and if you check he will always bet even with 32o :P I say bet much easier to play with.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Hm, yeah, the problem with check-calling here is that we have underpairs/overcards with close to 100% certainty. But is this so problematic? It is 3-handed and on the turn, and then you have to play a little (much!) more straightforwardly.


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coolbaasz
Joined: 06.12.2007

I think i would bet/fold my underpairs and probably I should bluff with AT. So yeah, if we check AK, it'll be the only hand in our check range. Is it a problem? If so, should we check other hands or should we bet all of our hands on the turn?

Well, MP2 and Button are not geniuses and probably we can play straightforwardly against them but would your opinion change if MP2 were good player?


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Super easy check and check/call on pretty much any river

Betting here is basically a play saying "I don't know what to do"

Now admittedly vs many players they will have 0 raising range for value on this turn and vs those players, sure bet and tbh pet/call down because their raising range is totally polarised to slowplays and picked up flush draws.

Your hand is still pretty strong, with as many as 10 outs vs an underpair so why risk getting yourself blown off a decent hand by betting or paying 3 bets to see showdown when 1 would do?

Also I wouldn't bluff ATo here either for similar reasons, you can't call vs a raise so you're blowing yourself off a perfectly decent draw. A9, sure go ahead and bluff it. I also may check a hand like 44-66 in this situation because it's a 3-bet pot vs an EP open and they don't have as much value as you think so I widen my checking range a bit here to avoid giving my opponent auto-easy decisions.


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coolbaasz
Joined: 06.12.2007

Originally posted by Boomer2k10 A9, sure go ahead and bluff it. I also may check a hand like 44-66 in this situation

I dont know if it is a mistake or not, but I do not 3bet theese hands against an UTG open.

Here is my 3bet range against UTG: 77+,ATs+,KJs+,AJo+,KQo
Is it too tight?

I guess this range is super strong on this board, I have a lot of value hands and I can bluff only with AT. I would have played bet/fold with the medium pocket pairs (but you convinced me that check/call is maybe better), so this AK was the only hand in my check/call range, and I felt it is not correct.

Edit: I guess a lighter 3bet range could solve my problem but against UTG it is a little bit uncomfortalbe because usually UTG has a tight range, and if I am in HJ or CO then there are a lot of players behind me so I am not sure if it is a good idea to loosen my 3bet range in these situations.


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