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gnananandan
Joined: 24.06.2013

Poker Stars, Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q T
MP folds, CO calls, BTN folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls

Flop: (9 SB) J 3 A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

River: (7.5 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Board: J 3 A 4 6

Opponent -33/29/4 over 150 hands
Barell the Turn or Check/Fold?? Cant Check/call Turn i guess


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Preflop is pretty aggressive, but not wrong.

I'm thinking that maybe we should either give up on turn or else bet both turn and river. Perhaps Dawnfall has thoughts on this?


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

Turnbet I totally like. This hand is pretty low in your range at this point anyway and at the same time has a decent bit of equity. His flop call still includes many pockets,Jx,FDs,gutshots,Kx. Against such range you are doing pretty ok and your hand is certainly worth another BB. If you check it back its not rly a super great bluffcatcher(I would preffer Kx for that) so betting should be fine. You have FE against some pockets,Kx and you will still valuebet when he has worse FDs.

On the river I dont think there are many 3x in his range and also I dont think hes folding Jx to 3barrel. So the only hand you can make him fold on the river is like Kx(and I dont think he is super wide on those). I kindda like to check it back and hope he has FD. Anything worse than your hand should definatelly be bet as a bluff though. Even this is close...


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

I don't mind betting the Turn too. But Preflop you should just call. To have boardcoverage on boards like Q9x etc, i'd rather choose QTs JTs T9s 89s for 3betting but call all the offsuited equivalents. In terms of GTO its a turnbet since its one of your worst hands and also in a vacuum i like it against small-mid pocketpairs that decided to call once but see what happens on the Turn and KT KQ has to fold as well. After he did call the Turn he'll at least have Jx that hes prolly not going to fold to another bet. So i like checking the River. Well played but Preflop is basically just a call!


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gnananandan
Joined: 24.06.2013

I have a wider 3betting range(broadways, some suited connnectors, etc..) vs SB, because of the positional advantage and the wide SB Open range..(i think people open >60% from SB atleast)
Especially i can make SB fold any smaller pockets by Turn here with the positional advantage.
@Firsttsunami-Do you think QTo is really a bad 3bet vs SB?
I didnt know Turn bet was Fine! :)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

The SB isn't opening, he is isolation-raising the CO. His range is much stronger than top 60%.


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Against just an SB Openraise with no limper before it's ok to 3bet against an approximate Range of 70% but as yohann correctly mentioned and you , while you were looking at the hand, didnt recognize that there is a limper before SB's Openraise. So this fact makes SB's Range shrinking significantly down to 25 - 30% maybe against this range your Equity isnt good enough anymore. It's not a big mistake though but beside the Equity you should also consider that the initiative 3handed doesn't help you a lot.

The more player being around, the less important the initiative becomes and when you just call preflop, you can leave the initiative to SB and let him do his contibet and take the chance of just investing money when you've seen the flop and base your decision on your equity there and furthermore the most beneficial aspect is that you can raise SB's contibet and protect way better against CO whereas with initiative , you can just face your opponents with 1 SB and offer them cheaper drawing opportunities.

With A8s you may have an edge as well but positionwise and in terms of protection, its sometimes wiser just to give up a small edge but then start investing money when you're preflop not just a 3% favourite but when the EQ is way more to your favour when you hit a pair, a fd or something thats worthwhile continuing.


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