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full max river deep, 3way, nitest call ?

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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €776.02 (VPIP: 50.89, PFR: 15.93, 3Bet Preflop: 4.90, Hands: 229)
Hero (SB): €433.79
BB: €200.00 (VPIP: 31.51, PFR: 21.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, Hands: 1,240)
UTG: €291.27 (VPIP: 46.71, PFR: 29.34, 3Bet Preflop: 10.16, Hands: 508)
CO: €219.37 (VPIP: 50.15, PFR: 7.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.74, Hands: 1,010)

Hero posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has 6♥ 8♠ Q♥ Q♣

UTG raises to €7.00, fold, BTN calls €7.00, Hero calls €6.00, fold

Flop: (€23.00, 3 players) T♣ Q♦ T♦
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets €8.00, Hero calls €8.00, UTG calls €8.00

Turn: (€47.00, 3 players) 7♦
Hero checks, UTG bets €30.00, BTN calls €30.00, Hero calls €30.00

River: (€137.00, 3 players) 6♦
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets €114.00, Hero calls €114.00, UTG calls €114.00

Spoiler

BTN shows 8♣ T♥ 8♥ Q♠ (Full House, Tens full of Queens) (Pre 9%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 6♥ 8♠ Q♥ Q♣ (Full House, Queens full of Tens) (Pre 65%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
UTG shows 7♣ T♠ 9♠ 8♦ (Full House, Tens full of Sevens) (Pre 26%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins €476.50

didn't know how to optimise it all the way

préflop

not the best call preflop ever, UTG opr is a decent player i think, but BU is quite a fish who specially today was playing bad (station) and was sucking out every time

call preflop to play against him, but not sure it's very good.

Flop

easy game, how to value this ?

dkbet is making fold tons of things excepts some Txxx, or maybe combo draws in BU hand.

Prefer to c/c, let UTG put a cbet with some hands, and BU calling quite wide ip vs a cbet.
Or utg checking and BU would be often trying to steal.

Turn

now i don't know how to value this.
check and see what happen.

Maybe betting to rep some flushes and give odds to Txxx to call ip and try to hit their full, and then, try a c/r on 8/9/J rivers would be the better.

now UTG betting vs BTN irrelevant 8€ on 23€ bet flop.
Flush max vbetting thin vs Txxx, vbetting vs lower flush etc...
Full can be vbetting too.

don't know what to do.
raising is making fold flushes and some fulls too.
But BU quite fishy could be calling more light

River

don't feel ultra safe here.

I'm not nutty, quads and straight flush are possible here.

Decide to check/call, let Flush Max make a valuebet maybe (but i think flushes don't bet often here 3way), and let little full value bet too.

when BU makes this massive bet, I prefer to play it safe and just call.

We have lot of stack behind.
Don't want to isolate myself vs quads/straight flush.
But BU is stationny and I think he could call a raise with some lower fulls

other reason is to keep UTG in the pot.
UTG would be folding 100% of the time (if he's not quad/full obv).
Here, bby just calling, I keep low fulls, and maybe lower catchers (BU can be able to do tricky/stupid plays, and I could be catching him light too).

Showing the results, I'm sure that BU would have call 99.99% of the time here, so felt I miss a much bigger pot.

but it's result oriented obv here.
Is this just call river reasonable or is it a big mistake ?


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tgtoo
Joined: 03.10.2010

We flop an almost guaranteed win deep vs a fish you describe to be playing especially bad and stationy (and a reg with 150bb who we could cooler as well). The line you took is way too passive, we need to start putting money in early so that we get value when they can still draw and setup playing for stacks in case they hit hard as well.

If it was 100bb deep I think I would lead flop. We can get stacks in that way as well, and leading gets value from overpairs/draws that might otherwise let flop check through.

Since we're deeper, it would be very nice to get a flop check/raise in since it's almost the only way to go for stacks. I think I would check/raise flop if we can expect someone to bet pretty often, and lead if villains are very passive/pot controlly. Flop going check check check is ofc bad for us since we want to build the pot to get bigger bets in on turn/river. Now that you do check and the fish bets, raise! If he folds air, too bad, but when he has trips or a nice draw we need to go for that big value.

As played on the turn I probably lead. Think many trips/weaker flushes call but probably won't bet, and some full houses could even raise us. Checking doesn't gain us much extra value but lets them pot control correctly.

On the river, jam for sure. The fish is probably not folding any full house, and it's soooo much easier for him to have QT/T7/T6 than quads/straight flush. UTG probably isn't calling often either so not much value to be gained from there


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

I think u miss a lot of value. Sure quads could be but I mean....whatever. Str8flush is very unlikely. I would raise otf at least ott


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

yeah the straight flush is basically nonexistant here; which 98 combos really call? I would raise flop. No draw or T is folding. As played, vs that fish, i would jam river :)

Regards,

Skod


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

ye guys u're right, such a paranoid play river :facepalm:

i think i'm lucky to get the most value possible with one the badest lines


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