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4 way on flop in 3-bet pot with deep stacks w nut fd + gutshot

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How is PS extension used with poker tracker. I started using PT just like week ago and dont really know all its secrets yet :)

Anyhow: How fk'd up is my preflop play here? First of all is this hand ok to be included in UTG open range? I'd imagine folding is not an option after when we open, get call, 3-bet and cold call and pretty sure one more call behind once we call also, ( at least when having A high clubs)?

And then on the flop, once its small stack that shoves, again folding is not an option with nut flush draw and gutshot to second nut straight. But is it OK to go ahead and pot it like I did and try to get hand HU, or is it better to just call and maybe to try to get more weaker flush draws of straight draws in also? If call and then if ritutis or G3pique comes over the top we can't really fold, because 87xx / flopped set hands can't really go for c/r in these boards and spots, so our hand is quite often in quite a good shape... maybe :)

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PokerStars Zoom Hand #124974572681: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2014/11/12 20:05:39 EET [2014/11/12 13:05:39 ET]
Table 'Thyestes' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: s_arshak ($9.52 in chips)
Seat 2: Giova_196709 ($39.17 in chips)
Seat 3: ExorcistMGDN ($87.45 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO ($43.55 in chips)
Seat 5: ritutis ($74.92 in chips)
Seat 6: G3Pique ($35.17 in chips)
Giova_196709: posts small blind $0.10
ExorcistMGDN: posts big blind $0.25
[PF]
Dealt to HERO [8♣ Q♥ 5♥ A♣]
HERO: raises $0.60 to $0.85
ritutis: calls $0.85
G3Pique: raises $2.90 to $3.75
s_arshak: calls $3.75
Giova_196709: folds
ExorcistMGDN: folds
HERO: calls $2.90
ritutis: calls $2.90
[FLOP] ( 9 ) [9♣ 10:heart: 6♣]
HERO: checks
ritutis: checks
G3Pique: checks
s_arshak: bets $5.77 and is all-in
HERO: raises $26.24 to $32.01
ritutis: raises $39.16 to $71.17 and is all-in
G3Pique: folds
HERO: calls $7.79 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($31.37) returned to ritutis
[TURN] ( 148 ) [9♣ 10:heart: 6♣] [K♦]
[RIVER] ( 148 ) [9♣ 10:heart: 6♣ K♦] [Q♠]
[SHOWDOWN]
HERO: shows [8♣ Q♥ 5♥ A♣] (a pair of Queens)
ritutis: shows [J♣ 8♥ 4♥ 10:club:] (a straight, Nine to King)
ritutis collected $67.45 from side pot
s_arshak: shows [K♣ 10:spade: 9♥ J♠] (a straight, Nine to King)
ritutis collected $15.64 from main pot
s_arshak collected $15.63 from main pot
[SHOWDOWN]
Total pot $100.72 Main pot $31.27. Side pot $67.45. | Rake $2
Board [9♣ 10:heart: 6♣ K♦ Q♠]
Seat 1: s_arshak (button) showed [K♣ 10:spade: 9♥ J♠] and won ($15.63) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: Giova_196709 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ExorcistMGDN (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: HERO showed [8♣ Q♥ 5♥ A♣] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: ritutis showed [J♣ 8♥ 4♥ 10:club:] and won ($83.09) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 6: G3Pique folded on the Flop


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PerusJamppa
Joined: 18.01.2008

Insta-fold from UTG. :)

I don't know about the others but i would "cut the losses" by folding to the 3-bet.
You are OOP vs 3 players, :club:-FD is only thing alive, anything else will require really precisely cards from the flop to get the nuts.

As played i think more standard line with str8 and big draw would be donking because no one (excluding s-stack) is going to bet into that kind of board without really good hand. That's why your line looks more like a, well something what you actually have, a bit weaker draw.
Good news is that neither one of those other guys are having a straight so it's not too easy spot for them to continue in the hand. One other thing to take into consideration here is that short-stack is now freerollin' for the main pot and you guys are building the side pot.


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

i'm not sure about how to do that in PT :) Maybe someone alse knows.

Preflop is usually a fold, although there are some tables where calling is fine. Folding to the 3bet in this spot would be pretty bad, as you hold a hand with nut potential in a low spr scenario that also has decent board coverage.

As played on the flop both raising and calling have it's merits, but i think calling is superior, like you said to get more people in. I think it's better to gii mw, then to maybe fold out a better straightdraw, but it's going to be close, so both plays are close as well.

Regards,

Skod


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Originally posted by ARTZIPOPA
How is PS extension used with poker tracker.

If you mean adding the hand history to forum there is a button for it:


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