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kokkie1975
Joined: 17.04.2010

PokerStars - $20+$2|20/40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 10,195 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 11,211 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BB): 10,230
UTG: 9,780 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG+1: 10,120 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: 9,430 (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 9,858 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 32)
MP+2: 10,365 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 9,340 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 20, Hero posts BB 40

Pre Flop: (pot: 60) Hero has A♠ A♣

UTG raises to 120, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 120, fold, Hero raises to 320, UTG calls 200, BTN calls 200

Flop: (980, 3 players) 5♠ 8♠ 5♥
Hero bets 653, UTG calls 653, BTN calls 653

Turn: (2,939, 3 players) K♣
Hero bets 1,960, fold, BTN calls 1,960

River: (6,859, 2 players) 2♥
Hero bets 3,400, BTN raises to 7,262 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,862

Spoiler

BTN shows 8♥ 8♣ (Full House, Eights full of Fives) (Pre 20%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A♠ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Fives) (Pre 80%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BTN wins 21,383

some thoughts :

# 3bet could be a bit bigger ( something like 400ish ), although I don't think that so deep you get more chances of a fold. If there are more people involved in the pot than I would certainly raise bigger.

Flop is not the most ideal ever seen, because he's paired i beat all 1 and 2 pair combo's , and been beat by 88 , 55 and eventually A5 ( don't see them raise or call pre with other 5x hands). There is a flushdraw on the board so i bet 2/3 pot for protection en value.
Both call so what could the have ???? QQ+ is not likely because they will 4 bet that pre, remains 55-JJ, A8o, A5o,A8s, A8s, AKo, AKs, and some suited spade combo's like KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JT, T9, 76.

The King of clubs on the turn changed not much, so i bet again 2/3 pot for protection and value. Utg gives up and Btn calls.
The 2 of hearts on the river is a blank and i figure i'm only beat by 88, 55 and A5.
Is it now better to go for pot control and check/call, or even check/fold ( cause we are so deep)????
My line now is so strong that villain usually has something if he calls, and with a check on the river, I'll give him possibly a chance to turn his missed fd( when he's on a draw) into a bluff.
But when we intend to call a river bet anyway , is't it than not better to bet self ....... if villian fold is that also fine.

Don't know what best play is :f_confused:

Any comments and thoughts are welcome _pleased:


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1MOREMOR1
Joined: 04.05.2011

at some point vs 2 players you should realise that 1p probably cant be good


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LuckyLukePS
Joined: 28.08.2014

This deep vs. two villains pre I would tend to go quite a bit larger, say around 450 chips.

Certainly playing flop for value, I'd usually go a touch smaller but I don't mind it. Turn is a decent card to continue for value, I'd be going smaller here however. Draws aren't worth as much now and we certainly don't need to go this big for protection. We can't get it all-in easily otr either way and it's going to be hard to get value going this large. I'd go somewhere between 1400 - 1700.

On the river you can ch/call or bet/fold, I don't think we can bet/call, very much doubt he's ever raising us with worse. Check/call gets bluffs from his missed draws, so I can see merits to that. He has flatted twice pre so doesn't have many large kings in his range.


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