Why HM2 says it's -Ev?

hem2 obv takes a pretty tight 4b range and a pretty tight opening range. so he will like never raise fold and as he calls you are crushed or flipping. so you get a neg ev

..so u mean that on micro and low hm ev doesnt count, or anyways I shouldn't care too much?
I mean, if it gives to 4bets the range of ak qq+ in micros u dont go much far..
thanks for the reply btw!

i just say you should go by your own judgement based on facts. numbers hem counts are facts, numbers hem runs depemd on variables you have to put in. your judgement.

the ranges that hem uses at the point we are at, we did not redefine ranges in hem to a spec spot, are the default ranges you would take in that spot. the most reasonable, which we dont have here obv if hes a micromaniac who just looks to get em in and run cards
so that is where you need to to know how to use ur software

ok, but I don't use HM to make the decision,call or fold. I use it later on to see if I did a +ev move. If the range is from 1980 then I can't trust HM to tell me if the move was +ev or not..
Anyways that's what it is, thanks a lot for the reply!

HEM uses a reasonable predefined range. if your villain does not come closse to his range obv HEM cant be right with EV

I think there is some confusion here as to what HM2 is telling you with regards to the EV (expected value).

HM2 does not use any ranges to calculate this, it is based on the actual hands in play at the point in the hand that you go all-in. In this case, you are all-in pre-flop so it is simpy JsJh vs AdTs with 5 cards to come. Plug this into PokerStrategy's Equilab and you will see that the JJ hand is a ~72% favorite to win.

In other words, you expect to win 72% of the time. If the pot was $100, and you win - you get $100. If you lose - you get $0. But if you could find somebody to play this hand with you over and over countless times... you would expect to make $72 on average each time.

What HM2 is doing is trying to show you how "lucky" you were... Since you were expecting to make $72, but you actually won $100, you were "overly lucky" by $28 so it shows this as -$28. If you lost the hand, it would have showed it as +$72.

I hope this helps.

if its on the actual hands its just weird ev seems to be neg

I think you are mixing up equity and expected value...

In the actual hand above it is suggesting that the winner came out ahead with 0,73€ more value than expected on average.

Another example - AA vs KK will win 4/5 times. So in a $100 pot, the average expected value is $80 (i.e. 4/5ths of $100). The four times AA wins, the $EV will be negative $20 and the one time it loses it will be positive $80. In theory, we have to balance out after 5 hands so (4 * -$20) + (1 * $80) = $0.

(Note that my examples are for cash games, it is the same for tournaments, but ICM is used to determine the cash value of the chips.)

So it's just like cEV difference but showing the cash value EV difference?!
Do u use this info in some way or is just the translation of cEV in cash?
Thanks

Originally posted by marcepoker17
So it's just like cEV difference but showing the cash value EV difference?!
Do u use this info in some way or is just the translation of cEV in cash?
Thanks

You got it.

I don't use it directly. HM2 uses it to adjust your red line, and over a large sample the red line can give you an indication on the quality of your play despite your actual results. So if your green line is below your red line you have been "unlucky", if your green line is above your red line you've been "lucky". In my opinion though, I wouldn't worry about your red line at all until you have a good number of tournaments/hands in your history.

Ok, I know the red and green line (blue and orange) but I have it only for cash games, in a graph, and anyways the meaning is different (green=net won, red=non showdown, blue=showdown, orange=all in ev).
Can I find this for mtt as well on HM2???
Because for many tournaments I have only the cEv difference and only in some €Ev difference, so if I want to get the total (I mean for every move in every tounament) I could do it only in cEv. But obv this wouldn't tell me anything.
What I would like to know is if I'm doing the right move or not anytimes I'm all in, and I tought I could calculate that doing:
cEv difference - net won = my Ev every time I make that move.
But first I'm not even sure this is right, and second it doesn't work in some spots (like early phase or when icm cames in to play).

For the sample I have around 3500mtt and 200.000 hands.
Is this enough in ur opinion to have realistic numbers??

Thanks a lot for this!