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NL2 ZOOM: facing river bet with top set on super ugly runout

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

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$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU$1.77:///////;SB$2.79:///////;BB$2.99:///////;MP2$2.09:///////;MP3 (Hero)$2.34:///////;CO$2.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J:h, J:c.
MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04.

Flop: ($0.13) 3:c, 2:c, J:d (2 players)
BB bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13.

Turn: ($0.39) 4:c (2 players)
BB bets $0.38, Hero calls $0.38.

River: ($1.15) 5:h (2 players)
BB bets $1.11,

Spoiler

Hero calls $1.11.

Final Pot: $3.37.
Results follow:

Hero shows three of a kind, jacks(J:h J:c).
BB shows three of a kind, twos(2:h 2:s).

Hero wins with three of a kind, jacks(J:h J:c).

On the river I wanted to vomit and fold but then something set me thinking: he had donked every street. I just did not think he would have done that with any hand that contained an A (except NFD). Also unlikely with a 6x. So, that left flush draws and sets and maybe overpairs. The latter he would not bet on the river, or at least I don´t think he should. If I were in his shoes, I would also be very reluctant to bet sets on the river. So basically, I had to give him a flush. I ended up calling anyway. But this should rather be a fold vs unknown?

How about the other streets: I did not want to raise flop and chase away whatever he is donking with. But the on the turn, I did not want to raise either, because either he has the flush or I scare him away with a raise. And on the river raising is oc out of the question.


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CptCap
Joined: 18.03.2013

You might want to remove the results next time.. I noticed you did so in your other posts, but in this case it doesn't really add anything. Except that people get result oriented.

My point of view:

First of all, I like that you are actually thinking over every street during the hand; keep that up.
The flop is okay, a raise wouldn't be bad either; considering he donkbets pot. I believe donkbetting pot on this flop shows strength.
Just think about what combinations he would lay down and what combinations he would call at this point. Not much would lay down, agree?

Now why did you not want to raise the turn? 'Because he either has a flush* or scare him'. *Why are you so certain?
He bets pot again. Now would he do this with a made flush? What other combinations would he do this with?
Now the board got pretty ugly on the turn already. The thing here is not scaring him away, but protecting your own hand, because you don't want to go for an even uglier card on the river. At this point I would have raised fairly big and be happy to get it in!
You should have wanted to decide the hand on the turn already! ;)


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Since he is donking pot size OTF I'd rather put him on a made hand, even AA could not be excluded. So, I'd start raising him on the flop.


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Yes I think I should raise the flop as well just to charge a flush draw and to get value out of strong made hands before a scare card arrives.

I think if a player is donking (especially potsize), unless they are braindead, it is with a hand that they want to continue even after a raise. Do you agree? Of course, at these stakes there are quite a few braindead people (including myself, when I´m on tilt, or playing way too many tables, or both). So another scenario is let them donk their trash hands into you every street. But considering the ugly runout potential, and that I want to stack the nuttish hands that I beat, I prefer a raise either on river or turn. Thx for your answers...


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