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adasko99
Joined: 13.02.2011

Hello :)
My first ever FL hand for a review, got technical questions as well if that's ok

1) Can my Flop action be described as 2BET/CAP ? Or is it a RAISE/CAP? :f_biggrin:
2) Ho does the whole hand look like? :) Flop overplay? Turn weaktight? River bad fold?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, MP calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) J 2 T (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP calls

Turn: (10.7 BB) A (3 players)
BB bets, MP folds, Hero calls

River: (12.7 BB) A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

12.7 BB pot (0.4 BB rake)
Final Board: J 2 T A A
BB mucked and won 12.3 BB (7.8 BB net)
Hero mucked K K and lost (-4.5 BB net)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

1.) I'd call it a raise-cap, 2-bet cap is "technically correct" but probably less common to say. (Glad to see you care, many players call anything a XR:rolleyes:).

2a.) Flop decision is the easiest one in this hand. Once he donk-3-bets on the flop, you need to put him on a range (if not before). He is rarely on a draw (no way to buy the free card, and few players re-bluff with a small FD or SD with 98s here (though they probably should to some small extent)). A donker that didn't cap preflop is unlikely to be on QQ+. The most probable reason for you to be ahead is that he has TP and don't want to let you take a free card on the turn. I'd discount this probability because the board is dangerous (and he's a donker - they usually don't think on that level, if they do, they would need to have seen you raise for a free card (do you?)), and say he has a hand he likes pretty much. Flop is thus overplayed imo. In the event he is on a bluff, you don't want to discourage him by capping.

As an aside, flat-calling donks on the flop is almost never a bad strategy, whatever you hold and whatever he holds and whatever the board looks like. Don't want to beef out on this now because it is off topic.

2b.) Turn is definitely not weak-tight. If you capped flop on the theory that you were marginally ahead (with which I don't agree), then that turn card is one of the worst. A raise is totally out of the question. Some draws got there as well along with Ax hands. Can you fold? No. You get close to 12:1 and the gutshot SD alone is a reason good enough to stick in.

2c.) River is quite simple, because the river card is essentially a blank if my reasoning is correct about him not donk-3-betting FD's. It is actually a good card, and you should call given you called on the turn. Few people ever give up bluffs between turn and river (though they should). Note (and this is important), close to about half of his flop value range (JT) got counterfeited OTR. Some people just don't notice, and keep firing. [Some good players would sometimes exploitatively turn their JT into a bluff (though they rarely donk)!]

On the river, this is much like the the other hand (AA set on flush board). You are close to the top of your bluff-catching range getting 13:1 and folding river takes a read in order to be reasonably safe against exploitation. I don't hate the fold as much as some other players here probably do, but I'd definitely call based on the emphasized observation above.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

I would insta call river. yohan got all the math and I think its correct what he says. But personally i would insta call. That guy has Jx too often for me to ever be scared and fold just because the Ace comes on the turn. River as yohan said is a blank and it only makes it even less of a chance that the guy has AJ,Ax

one thing i think yohan didn't catch on was there is 3 guys in the pot on the flop but that doesn't change my mind too much. capping on that flop is given. Im a little more aggressive nowadays than I should be but I would raise turn :P (not the best idea vs unknowns id need a read on the player to do so) others I would just call turn expecting he has either two pair or Jx and when the A river I guess theres no use in raising since he will only raise with better hands than you.


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Siliciom
Joined: 04.02.2007

After the flop 3bet from the BB, I would rather wait until the turn to raise. Your hand will pretty much be a bluff catcher on 9, Q and all diamonds and you will have to fold againt a bet + raise anyway.

When getting donk on the turn, I don't think you can ever fold in such a bit pot when MP folds.


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adasko99
Joined: 13.02.2011

thanks guys :f_drink:


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