[Closed] Pokerstars best scam platform !!!

Originally posted by Zanardi1
Am I the only one sick and tired of this type of threads?

Not at all, so is everyone else. I think this is an uncharacteristic high amount of low-level trolling for this site. (If people want the low-down on GTO trolling they can hit 2+2.)

Suggestion: a suitably qualified representative of ps.com writes a comprehensive template response for such threads that is instructional and offers the OP suitable feedback. Mods and admin all have access to this and simply copy and paste the damn thing and close the thread before we are all sorely tempted to get our troll on.

I had such a bad experience playing on PokerStars Site & Go. Bad luck?! I can not believe, it something else....:f_mad:

Originally posted by MacauChris

Originally posted by Glopslart
This is all totally normal. Plus, the 6 is a very powerful card. If you read my own blog, you will see that I have repeatedly remarked on how a pair of sixes holds up, and on how if you hold even ONE, its comrades have a tendency to cluster on the board, just to keep it company.

Do you know why 6 was scared of 7?

Because 7 ate 9

please, if you're looking for scam, look at ipoker altogether ♦

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2659845
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $16.19 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 14, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
Hero (SB): $10.36 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
BB: $10.59 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 6.0, Hands: 90
UTG: $20.52 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 5, AF: 1.1, Hands: 198
UTG+1: $9.69 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 38
UTG+2: $10.79 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 1.6, Hands: 77
MP1: $10.16 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 0.5, Hands: 27
MP2: $12.99 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 0.0, Hands: 89
CO: $11.12 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 10.0, Hands: 175

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q Q
3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $10.36, 3 folds, BTN calls $9.56

Flop: ($21.32) K 6 T (2 players)

Turn: ($21.32) Q (2 players)

River: ($21.32) A (2 players)

Final Pot: $21.32
BTN shows J J
Hero shows Q Q
BTN wins $20.36
(Rake: $0.96)

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** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 04, 05:43:39 ET 2015
Table Hartley 3 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $10.90 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 203
Seat 2: Player2 ( $13.50 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 11, 3B: 2, AF: 7.0, Hands: 211
Seat 3: Player3 ( $8.56 USD ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 6
Seat 4: Player4 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 20, 3B: 4, AF: 16.0, Hands: 128
Seat 5: Player5 ( $9.78 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 6, AF: 0.5, Hands: 73
Seat 6: Player6 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 5, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 114
Seat 7: Player7 ( $10.63 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 101
Seat 8: Hero ( $10.93 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
Seat 9: Player9 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 5, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 95
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah As ]
Player4 folds
Player5 raises [$0.30 USD]
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player5 raises [$1.90 USD]
Hero raises [$4.20 USD]
Player5 raises [$7.58 USD]
Hero calls [$4.68 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 5s, Ks ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
Player5 shows [Kc, Kh ]
Hero shows [Ah, As ]
Player5 wins $18.82 USD from main pot

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Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2659850
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $10.42 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 40, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
SB: $12.23 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 28
Hero (BB): $9.95 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 0.0, Hands: 155
UTG+1: $23.02 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
UTG+2: $10.00 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
MP1: $10.25 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 12, 3B: 7, AF: 1.0, Hands: 34
MP2: $13.51 - VPIP: 100, PFR: 100, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 1
CO: $2.46 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 91

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q Q
4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, MP2 calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.25) 2 7 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP2 raises to $3.60, Hero raises to $9.35, MP2 calls $5.75

Turn: ($19.95) 5 (2 players)

River: ($19.95) K (2 players)

Final Pot: $19.95
Hero shows Q Q
MP2 shows K A
MP2 wins $19.05
(Rake: $0.90)

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Here is a brutal one

** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 02, 02:59:25 ET 2015
Table Hartley 4 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $8.46 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 10.0, Hands: 79
Seat 2: Player2 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 125
Seat 3: Player3 ( $8.29 USD ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 20, 3B: 33, AF: 1.0, Hands: 10
Seat 4: Player4 ( $9.65 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1.5, Hands: 102
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.84 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 219
Seat 6: Player6 ( $11.54 USD ) - VPIP: 8, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 13
Seat 7: Hero ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
Seat 8: Player8 ( $12.26 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 69
Seat 9: Player9 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.0, Hands: 278
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jd Jh ]
Player4 calls [$0.10 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Hero raises [$0.40 USD]
Player8 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 calls [$0.40 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$8.19 USD]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$9.60 USD]
Player1 folds
Hero wins $1.71 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, Kc, As ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
Player3 shows [5s, 7s ]
Hero shows [Jd, Jh ]
Player3 wins $16.36 USD from main pot

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Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2659851
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $5.47 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 39
SB: $5.18 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 6, 3B: 2, AF: 0.0, Hands: 140
BB: $5.72 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 8, AF: 1.8, Hands: 103
UTG: $5.63 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 12, AF: 0.0, Hands: 78
UTG+1: $5.03 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 29
UTG+2: $3.55 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
Hero (MP1): $6.13 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
MP2: $3.77 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
CO: $5.25 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 2, AF: 0.5, Hands: 164

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP1 with A K
UTG raises to $5.63, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6.13, 5 folds

Flop: ($11.33) 8 4 T (2 players)

Turn: ($11.33) 6 (2 players)

River: ($11.33) 4 (2 players)

Final Pot: $11.33
UTG shows Q A
Hero shows A K
UTG wins $10.86
(Rake: $0.47)

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Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2659852
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $5.85 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 1.0, Hands: 55
SB: $5.09 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 6, AF: 2.4, Hands: 150
Hero (BB): $4.88 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
UTG: $7.83 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 105
UTG+1: $5.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 3.3, Hands: 143
UTG+2: $5.84 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 14, 3B: 20, AF: 0.0, Hands: 7
MP1: $5.18 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 2.5, Hands: 558
MP2: $7.08 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 7, AF: 0.0, Hands: 42
CO: $5.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 27

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 6 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, UTG+1 raises to $1.05, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG+1 raises to $5, Hero calls $2.38 all in

Flop: ($9.78) J 8 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($9.78) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($9.78) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $9.78
Hero shows A A
UTG+1 shows Q Q
UTG+1 wins $9.25
(Rake: $0.41)

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Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2659853
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $8.33 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 14, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
SB: $5.02 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 35
BB: $5.19 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 1.0, Hands: 162
Hero (UTG): $5.38 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
UTG+1: $4.86 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 8, 3B: 1, AF: 0.7, Hands: 200
UTG+2: $5.19 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 2.0, Hands: 222
MP1: $4.58 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 40, 3B: 38, AF: 1.5, Hands: 20
MP2: $7.37 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.8, Hands: 79
CO: $5.45 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 110

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, MP1 calls $0.95

Flop: ($2.57) 3 2 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.63, MP1 calls $1.63

Turn: ($5.83) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP1 calls $1.70 all in

River: ($9.23) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $9.23
Hero shows K K
MP1 shows Q A
MP1 wins $8.85
(Rake: $0.38)

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Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2659854
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $18.78 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 50, 3B: 75, AF: 1.0, Hands: 12
SB: $23.91 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 7, 3B: 2, AF: 3.1, Hands: 118
Hero (BB): $10.76 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
UTG: $10.42 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 3.0, Hands: 52
UTG+1: $10.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.0, Hands: 278
UTG+2: $10.13 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 203
MP1: $8.80 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 15, 3B: 11, AF: 6.0, Hands: 73
MP2: $12.03 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 4.0, Hands: 89
CO: $20.55 - VPIP: 45, PFR: 5, 3B: 11, AF: 0.0, Hands: 20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q Q
4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, CO raises to $20.55, 1 fold, Hero calls $7.76 all in

Flop: ($22.52) 9 6 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($22.52) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($22.52) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $22.52
Hero shows Q Q
CO shows Q K
Hero wins $10.76
CO wins $0.96
(Rake: $1.01)

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Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2659855
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP2: $2.41 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 0.0, Hands: 39
CO: $5.00 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 72
BTN: $10.16 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 45
SB: $3.38 - VPIP: 69, PFR: 38, 3B: 0, AF: 5.0, Hands: 13
BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 12
Hero (UTG): $2.16 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 70737
UTG+1: $5.39 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 28
MP1: $5.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.15, 6 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) K T J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $2.01, BB calls $1.61

Turn: ($4.34) Q (2 players)

River: ($4.34) 3 (2 players)

Final Pot: $4.34
BB shows K 6
Hero shows K K
BB wins $4.16
(Rake: $0.18)

I have a ton of those, well they are not consecutive but anyway... Over 60k hands I am under EV 2500 BB Time to stop with poker for a long time

25bi is nothing. Especially in 60k hands

I am not saying pokerstars is scam, but they know how to make rake.... If 25 Bi difference is nothing to you in 60 k hands good for you, it is kinda of strange for me, probably I am a very bad player so I will just continue to be a recreational player, or may be I will give it a shot on some other site, where 25 Bi difference is a lot

I use to struggle with the though that I was so unlucky. Then I realized that I was focusing on all the times when some one sucked out on me but ignored all the times that I sucked out on them. I was filtering my thoughts, only paying attention to the negative and ignoring the positive. I also realized that I was so new to the game that I didn't understand the concept of variance. Once I did a bit of research on variance I began to understand that a huge downswing is completely predictable. I had AA cracked by KK 5 times in one session. If I did no understand the nature of variance I would have though poker stars was rigged. Now what I do is try to image the situation being played over and over again. AA vs KK in the long run is very profitable but this does not mean my AA will hold up to KK the next 10 times.

Originally posted by Noname81
I use to struggle with the though that I was so unlucky. Then I realized that I was focusing on all the times when some one sucked out on me but ignored all the times that I sucked out on them. I was filtering my thoughts, only paying attention to the negative and ignoring the positive. I also realized that I was so new to the game that I didn't understand the concept of variance. Once I did a bit of research on variance I began to understand that a huge downswing is completely predictable. I had AA cracked by KK 5 times in one session. If I did no understand the nature of variance I would have though poker stars was rigged. Now what I do is try to image the situation being played over and over again. AA vs KK in the long run is very profitable but this does not mean my AA will hold up to KK the next 10 times.

That is so true. People concentrate too much on their suck outs, i bet everyone have the same amount of hands where they catch 3 outer on the river and the other guy is raging and calling it Jokerstars.

I dont know why do you guys complain, i like these posts.
My favorite part is how OP gives us the details of the hands:

1: villain stats: vpip: ?, pfr: who cares ?, 3 bet%: ....... important details: russian factor: 9001

It reminded me of this thing:

"russians are the scariest white people, they earned it"

Originally posted by Skodljivec
25bi is nothing. Especially in 60k hands

that's very true on "poker"stars or if you play with slot machine. And after 600 k hands in cash you will probably even be winning player with fantastic 2bb/100 hands winrate. I would better deposit in online casino for 7k spins in some decent slot and will have a chance to win more without wasting time there.

All in pre with AA vs A6 at a live game a few days ago.

Even live is rigged these days

Hi OP,

Do you know what are the odds of you being alive, behind a computer screen making money from online poker in the grand schema of the Universe?

same with me but I had pocket aces 8 times in a cash game and went all in on 7 of the 8 times lost every hand it is rigged one Russian calls me with 6-3 off and wouldn't you know it 2 sixes on the flop and a three on the river poker star better wake up there is definitely something wrong and they just don't care as long as they are getting rich

The other day, I sent an email to Pokerstars and asked them if they could help me win when I got KK vs AA...

Badaboum ! The next 2 times I won ! What are the odds ?

The point is, if you ask them politely, they will help you and let you win more often than what the probabilities tell you.

Can we just close this fucking thread already :DDD

I have an idea! We should have troll section at the forum and any post which contains "free money" "rigged" "stole my money" "my bonus hasn't come yet what to do" or "pokerstars have banned me", would be automatically transferred there.

Originally posted by la55i
Can we just close this fucking thread already :DDD

I have an idea! We should have troll section at the forum and any post which contains "free money" "rigged" "stole my money" "my bonus hasn't come yet what to do" or "pokerstars have banned me", would be automatically transferred there.

Best post so far.