Poker Eco-system and Black Member events in 2015

Dont get me wrong pls, i was trying to make a point. But now let me do it again the cleanest i can.

I didnt know any benefits that black members had, but now i know what they DONT HAVE ANYMORE. (This thread instead of emails)

To simplify: I knew black members would have benefits. Ofc i knew that, that was kinda logical to asume. And now ppl that wont even be touched by the changes, and even have restrictions on themselfes to make it clear they would never reach that, are making statements so out of line that they imho deserve to be told how stupid they look, are, sound and forever will be.

How many of you went short just before the propaganda where released?

Again im probably sending mixed signals. But my biggest concern really is how you went about it. And since my post is edited it sends a wrong signal. Because now it sounds like im crying because of no rakeback, when all i really wanted to say, was that if you cant beat nl2 on 1-4 tables, it doesnt get easier on 24. And a specific rustyman implied that.

The reason for the joke about going short on amaya: This thread.
Im not really good at sending straight forward signals (Well i am, but to make it children readable im not, when it affects me and i get attacked)

to be fair I already decided I didn't want to play tracked anymore after they decided to suddently close the handevaluationforum, because of it "not being of this time". But despite that and even that I would never get to black member status I stand fully behind all the black members being disrespected in this way.

Originally posted by martinemem
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So what you are saying is; pokerstars should lower the rakeback, making the games much tougher so that the only way to make a living out of it, is by having a -ev month every 3rd month, due to the fact that it wont be possible to actually GRIND poker. Because then even more goes to pokerstars and the affiliates, and then kill the motivation for actually play a lot?

Essentially what you are saying is: MORE SPINGO's PLEASE, AND MAKE THE JACKPOT FOR 1$ BI 200.000.000$.
Or: Lets make it impossible for anyone to climb the limits. Lets make the rake 99%, and then the 10 richest in the world can control everything (More than they do right now)

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I have learned myself to be +ev grinding 8 tables of zoom with a h/hour of 2400. When i started i was a fish making accounts on all pokersites. So i have no option to get into any affiliate to get just 0.1% MORE back of rakeback.

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On topic: Keep talking about poker is in a decline, then it will eventually be.

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//hey martinemem, you might feel offended but please keep your posts clean - Marta

No i just want to get rid of rakebackgrinders Rakebackgrinder is something that just needs to go away. It destroys alot of games. And if you look at microstakes on Stars you can see its pretty sad. Its full of nits and rakebackgrinders and its not fun for recreational players to play against. I think banning huds on all pokersites would be a good start to make poker abit more healthy. Getting rid of table selection for regular tables would solve bumhunting aswell. And i know my proposals are extreme but i think this is what needs to be done in order to make poker viable and not some sort of rakebackgrinding game that it is today.

awww how cute. You want the game to be easier, because they arent easy now or?

Recreational players arent starting out on nl2 anyways. Maybe some are. Not all.

Getting rid of table selection, by removing huds? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA tell me more pls. Or ask Gus.

May i ask why you cry instead of playing zoom tables? Please do continue to lick brown substance out of kidpoker.

Who are you to judge what is fun and what isnt? I won 6k$ pre black friday by raising 90-98% of hands vs redpro nits. "he thinks its a super turbo sng"
I was really having fun that day, i can tell you that. AND i was recreational.

Are you completly sure your statements isnt just a LITTLE bit biased?

And i know my proposals are extreme but i think this is what needs to be done in order to make poker viable and not some sort of rakebackgrinding game that it is today.

Learn to play AA, when you know when to fold AA and when to 4b it, you go on and play JJ-KK. Because AK is a gamble and we all now it. That is what nl2 is about. Or maybe you follow a chart explaining what to raise in what position.

When you pay rake, you do it because you dont want a greedy fat hacker to steal all your money. When you pay more rake, you get a: Thank you, you just earned us some money, but we already have so much, so you can have a little back, IF you continue to earn us money.

Rake is like insurance. Some pay a little with a lot of effort. Some pay a lot with a lot of effort. Some pay a little with NO effort. And some pay a lot with a little effort. Think about that.

Your hole proposal is delusional.

Originally posted by martinemem
awww how cute. You want the game to be easier, because they arent easy now or?

Recreational players arent starting out on nl2 anyways. Maybe some are. Not all.

Getting rid of table selection, by removing huds? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA tell me more pls. Or ask Gus.

May i ask why you cry instead of playing zoom tables? Please do continue to lick brown substance out of kidpoker.

Who are you to judge what is fun and what isnt? I won 6k$ pre black friday by raising 90-98% of hands vs redpro nits. "he thinks its a super turbo sng"
I was really having fun that day, i can tell you that. AND i was recreational.

Are you completly sure your statements isnt just a LITTLE bit biased?

And i know my proposals are extreme but i think this is what needs to be done in order to make poker viable and not some sort of rakebackgrinding game that it is today.

Learn to play AA, when you know when to fold AA and when to 4b it, you go on and play JJ-KK. Because AK is a gamble and we all now it. That is what nl2 is about. Or maybe you follow a chart explaining what to raise in what position.

When you pay rake, you do it because you dont want a greedy fat hacker to steal all your money. When you pay more rake, you get a: Thank you, you just earned us some money, but we already have so much, so you can have a little back, IF you continue to earn us money.

Rake is like insurance. Some pay a little with a lot of effort. Some pay a lot with a lot of effort. Some pay a little with NO effort. And some pay a lot with a little effort. Think about that.

Your hole proposal is delusional.

Unibet seems to be doing rather well

Whats the reason behind the missing news article?

On the german site we have a statement from pokerstrategy informing all german users about the latest problems regarding blackmembers.
Do you plan on posting this everywhere due to transparency towards your users ?

And still posts are being removed.

Wtf

http://de.pokerstrategy.com/news/content/Ende-der-Black-Member-Events_89935/

The German community gets a news piece (a few days after the fact) but still nothing for EN?

Originally posted by kniddel

epic!!!

I guess there is only one sane thing to do for everyone else who rakes a lot of $ per month. Stop playing on pokerstrategy affiliated accounts, make account on other skins thru better affiliate sites that actually give you value for the money you make

I mean it's just unreal how a site like this that depends on us thinks it fuk us over how ever they want to get more money out of everything

It's not gonna be long until this site completely dies, I predict 6-12 months and it's over

I mean pokerstars can reduce rakeback, they're in a position of power in this business because we play there for the fish to make money.... but you... wtf do I get from visiting this site if it offers nothing to me? and besides that, it fu*** it's community over, do you really think we can't do anything about this?

Originally posted by wazawanga
I mean it's just unreal how a site like this that depends on us thinks it fuk us over how ever they want to get more money out of everything

It's not gonna be long until this site completely dies, I predict 6-12 months and it's over

I mean pokerstars can reduce rakeback, they're in a position of power in this business because we play there for the fish to make money.... but you... wtf do I get from visiting this site if it offers nothing to me? and besides that, it fu*** it's community over, do you really think we can't do anything about this?

Problem with that is that people who are tracked to Pokerstars are hardly gonna leave and play iPoker or Party or other shit holes.

And the caveat is people cannot ask for unaffiliation from Stars because it was a lifetime agreement. So there gonna get your money either way.

Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER

Originally posted by wazawanga
I mean it's just unreal how a site like this that depends on us thinks it fuk us over how ever they want to get more money out of everything

It's not gonna be long until this site completely dies, I predict 6-12 months and it's over

I mean pokerstars can reduce rakeback, they're in a position of power in this business because we play there for the fish to make money.... but you... wtf do I get from visiting this site if it offers nothing to me? and besides that, it fu*** it's community over, do you really think we can't do anything about this?

Problem with that is that people who are tracked to Pokerstars are hardly gonna leave and play iPoker or Party or other shit holes.

And the caveat is people cannot ask for unaffiliation from Stars because it was a lifetime agreement. So there gonna get your money either way.

How many people would have signed up for this lifetime agreement if they new it was a one way agreement?
Even though this does not effect me I think this has been handled disgracefully.
Surely if Pokerstrategy are receiving less rake then they can pass this on and raise the bar for the rewards rather than just removing them.

it doesn't matter if some people will still rake money for pokerstrategy for some time, once the site dies then they won't get any money from anywhere

just don't visit the site anymore, close down the blogs, don't post hands... move all of your stuff elsewhere and it's all good

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=pokerstrategy.com

Originally posted by kniddel

this doesn't concern me (or does it, as a pokerstrategy user? heh) but i love it. keep on the good fight noble gentlemen

I turn back member in 3015

Originally posted by Mark1790

Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER

Originally posted by wazawanga
I mean it's just unreal how a site like this that depends on us thinks it fuk us over how ever they want to get more money out of everything

It's not gonna be long until this site completely dies, I predict 6-12 months and it's over

I mean pokerstars can reduce rakeback, they're in a position of power in this business because we play there for the fish to make money.... but you... wtf do I get from visiting this site if it offers nothing to me? and besides that, it fu*** it's community over, do you really think we can't do anything about this?

Problem with that is that people who are tracked to Pokerstars are hardly gonna leave and play iPoker or Party or other shit holes.

And the caveat is people cannot ask for unaffiliation from Stars because it was a lifetime agreement. So there gonna get your money either way.

How many people would have signed up for this lifetime agreement if they new it was a one way agreement?
Even though this does not effect me I think this has been handled disgracefully.
Surely if Pokerstrategy are receiving less rake then they can pass this on and raise the bar for the rewards rather than just removing them.

There's a thread on 2p2 in NVG forum where there is talk that PStrat may have broken affiliate rules that could lead to untracking. I doubt it though, I'd imagine they will have dotted their i and crossed their t.

There should be compensation when the affiliate makes such savage changes to their offers and there would be in a perfect world. However, the world we are in is far from perfect as we all know.

Originally posted by Greenazio
Whats the reason behind the missing news article?

On the german site we have a statement from pokerstrategy informing all german users about the latest problems regarding blackmembers.
Do you plan on posting this everywhere due to transparency towards your users ?

Hello Greenazio,

the news was mainly to highlight the fact that we've made changes to our BM suit policy. We would like to offer the possibility of getting the suit also for those who cannot register for an event. In other communities, including English, we've updated the FAQs and bumped the threads - see here. We've also announced it in the VIP-restricted forum part.

In the German community, however, the discussion got quite heated and the amount of other posts simply flooded our message. We decided to highlight it through a dedicated piece of news.

As for the general "why no news?" question, let me quote my earlier reply in this thread:

Originally posted by Marta
Hey Gary! The information is available to everyone in the open forum - we did not try to hide it. Additionally, every Black Member, or potentially soon-to-be Black Member, received an email from us informing about the change. We reached out to those who are affected. There was no real need to announce the same message in the news piece (that "lives" 1-2 days on the home page).

Kind regards.

Originally posted by GrandeSmokio
just wanted to inform you guys that UPAY4DINNER is read only now

everybody who wants more information visit 2+2 or inform yourself in the thread of the german community

Let the censorship continue...

Here is the uncensored thread on 2+2 with a Pokerstrategy rep:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/pokerstrategy-cancelling-black-level-vip-member-events-1511655/

Originally posted by Dublimax

Originally posted by GrandeSmokio
just wanted to inform you guys that UPAY4DINNER is read only now

everybody who wants more information visit 2+2 or inform yourself in the thread of the german community

Let the censorship continue...

Originally posted by Dublimax

Originally posted by GrandeSmokio
just wanted to inform you guys that UPAY4DINNER is read only now

everybody who wants more information visit 2+2 or inform yourself in the thread of the german community

Let the censorship continue...

Here is the uncensored thread on 2+2 with a Pokerstrategy rep:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/pokerstrategy-cancelling-black-level-vip-member-events-1511655//blockquote >

Originally posted by Dublimax

Originally posted by GrandeSmokio
just wanted to inform you guys that UPAY4DINNER is read only now

everybody who wants more information visit 2+2 or inform yourself in the thread of the german community

Let the censorship continue...

Here is the uncensored thread on 2+2 with a Pokerstrategy rep:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/pokerstrategy-cancelling-black-level-vip-member-events-1511655//blockquote >

Here is the uncensored thread on 2+2 with a Pokerstrategy rep:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/pokerstrategy-cancelling-black-level-vip-member-events-1511655//blockquote >

thanks for the info will read with interest