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Anyone else annoyed about the Bots on 888?

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Baumann666RNMD
Joined: 14.06.2010

6 Bots now, all from Russia, Looooool


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hoagy
Joined: 21.10.2014

Hi Bauman!
It would be interesting to know what your stats are in comparison?

Would you usually lose or win against players with those stats?


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Baumann666RNMD
Joined: 14.06.2010

Originally posted by hoagy
Hi Bauman!
It would be interesting to know what your stats are in comparison?

Would you usually lose or win against players with those stats?

My Stats something like 25/19/7,5 - Agg 2,2 - WTSD 26 - F23bet 53 - F24bet 50 - 4bet 12 - F2cbet 50 - BBfold 60

If the only information would be these stats, I cant say if I would win.


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hoagy
Joined: 21.10.2014

If MAMAR5 is a bot it is programmed a little loose and definitely overly aggressive it's 9.5% 3bet range is exploitable over time, when it 3-bets it could be playing KK or AA but AJo or 88 are possible, even if you had AQo (especially out of position) you would still need to be careful; 2.5% it would be ahead 3 to 1, it's next 3% of hands would be a coin flip, the rest of it's range (about 4%) you would be ahead 70/30. I would probably flat call it's 3bets more often than I would against a good player, and even with it's 3.9% AF I would be ready to get out on any flop I missed. 3.9% AF with 23% WTSD is interesting, I would like to see how it reacts to re-raising against its C-Bets and how often it folds to pressure on the turn?

If you play against bots often it could be worthwhile to download a free trial of a bot with some basic profiles and familiarise with their programming language it gives a real understanding of how they perform. Also remembering that bots play differently in every position can help, also remember bots never tilt a bot programmed to raise 88 or above will never chance a raise with 77, they stick exactly to the program which makes them predictable. Watching their stats is useful but carefully watching what starting hands they play in different positions can be better.


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Baumann666RNMD
Joined: 14.06.2010

Bot Nr. 7 FoxiOK


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hoagy
Joined: 21.10.2014

Very interesting Baumann! It is good to see someone actually taking the time to compile the stats and facts. All 7 seem to be programmed with the exact same profile, they are probably using one of the pre-loaded programs, and not changing much or any of the code themselves.

Have you noticed any other bots using tight aggressive profiles in the NL 50 or NL 100 arenas? I have suspected some tight aggressive players of being bots (but in lower buy-ins) although I haven't played enough there to gather stats like you so I am not sure.


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dajunior
Joined: 19.03.2012

Originally posted by Baumann666RNMD
Bot Nr. 7 FoxiOK

Have you tried to write to the support? I know they have shitty and slow support in 888, but anyway it's interesting how they'll comment the situation.


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hoagy
Joined: 21.10.2014

Hi Dajunior
I doubt support could do much about it although most poker room's TOS do not allow any third party software that uses artificial intelligence to aid or replace a player, a lot of clients do use third party software, were they to suspend them all they would lose a lot of income.

Also how could they possibly tell for certain whether a player was using software as an aid or not? Baumann's stats clearly indicate those players are using some sort of software but they are not conclusive proof.

Hi Baumann
Do you have cold call stats for those players? Are their calling/limping ranges as similar as the rest?


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Baumann666RNMD
Joined: 14.06.2010

3 days no bot :appl: :truestory:


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