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SH Speed AKo, Calling the 3bet Preflop

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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Hello!

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $7.71 (154.2 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.52 (110.4 bb)
MP: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
CO: $6.08 (121.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $6.24 (124.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
UTG raises to $0.25, MP folds, CO raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.45

Flop: ($2.17) K 8 J (3 players)
UTG bets $1, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5.54 and is all-in, UTG calls $3.82 and is all-in, CO folds

Turn: ($12.81) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($12.81) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Preflop: Not sure what to do. If I 4bet, I supose I would isolate myself against KK+. I think calling is fine. In the other way, the UTG looks like a fish and the CO looks like a maniac, so probably 4betting and calling shove would be a bit better.

Flop: Hit TPTK, so, according to preflop play, decided to shove because I don't want to see T, Q or J on the turn. If I call, I would have to call the the turn also, anyway.

UTG: 36/12/34 (VPIP/PFR/H)
CO: 35/27/13,3/286 (VPIP/PFR/3B/H)


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kevin2001
Joined: 14.02.2009

Sometimes i 4bet bluff here preflop and i just use my blockers but it is villain dependent. Why do you have to call turn anyway if you call the flop?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

It is already raised to 14bb, so a 4-bet bluff (with any hand) is not so good.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by kevin2001
Sometimes i 4bet bluff here preflop and i just use my blockers but it is villain dependent. Why do you have to call turn anyway if you call the flop?

I wouldn't 4bet bluff AK, ever. I think it's too strong. On the turn the UTG will have 2/3 stack to pot, so if he cbets, I'm probably not folding the TPTK.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

4 bet preflop and hope one or both would fold. If UTG push I'm folding.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I am more inclined to 4 bet. CO is widely 3 betting and I don't mind playing vs him.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Hi,

Maybe I'm a nit here, but I could actually consider folding right away pre-flop.

Two things that made me think this: a) 5bb open-raise and b) almost 3x 3bet versus that huge open-raise.

It just looks like you are against some big hands there, and by flatting that 3-bet there you are putting a lot of money to the pot pre-flop. You could miss the flop, or even when you hit you might be in bad shape. And when you flat, if you face a 4-bet pre-flop, you are in even bigger trouble after that.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by CPallo
Hi,

Maybe I'm a nit here, but I could actually consider folding right away pre-flop.

Two things that made me think this: a) 5bb open-raise and b) almost 3x 3bet versus that huge open-raise.

It just looks like you are against some big hands there, and by flatting that 3-bet there you are putting a lot of money to the pot pre-flop. You could miss the flop, or even when you hit you might be in bad shape. And when you flat, if you face a 4-bet pre-flop, you are in even bigger trouble after that.

You are a nit!

Actually, I wasn't against big hands preflop. The CO had QQ at best, since he folded on the flop. The UTG had K♣:Q♣: Standard. :censored:


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excitedpoker
Joined: 12.08.2010

You might qualify him as a nit but why does it matter if he`s profitable? Not cold calling huge 3bets 3way with a mediocre hand is profitable.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by excitedpoker
You might qualify him as a nit but why does it matter if he`s profitable? Not cold calling huge 3bets 3way with a mediocre hand is profitable.

Didn't ment to be rude. :) We know each other, so was joking. :f_drink: We can think about those big sizings in many ways. It's clear that those players are not good because regulars don't make those sizings. The question is - is this a tell of a good hand or they are making those sizings with any hand they play. I didn't know that while playing the hand. It's safe to assume that this means a big hand, so fold would probably be fine, even it's always weird to fold AK. Anyway, in this particular hand turned out that the UTG is probably doing that with any hand, so from now on, I would call/3bet/4bet AK all day against him.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Yeah, not a rude comment at all


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I still think that calling here is the worse play. Our hand is perfect to try to isolate the CO.


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seacat22
Joined: 10.08.2013

ak not a good hand to play multiway 4bet to thin out number villains


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