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Anomic
Joined: 15.01.2012

Originally posted by steven5656
The real reason why everyone's red line is going down is because HM2 or whatever shove all your rake onto your red line for whatever reason. Add your rake paid to your red line to get a true non showdown winnings stat. That's why pretty much only crushers are going to have a break even or positive red line at the micros given you are playing like 10bb/100 in rake.

That is just not true. If you win a pot at showdown, your blue line will go up slightly less than it would if there was no rake/ If you win a pot by making villain fold, your red line will go up slightly less than it would if there was no rake.


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steven5656
Joined: 11.03.2010

Originally posted by Anomic

Originally posted by steven5656
The real reason why everyone's red line is going down is because HM2 or whatever shove all your rake onto your red line for whatever reason. Add your rake paid to your red line to get a true non showdown winnings stat. That's why pretty much only crushers are going to have a break even or positive red line at the micros given you are playing like 10bb/100 in rake.

That is just not true. If you win a pot at showdown, your blue line will go up slightly less than it would if there was no rake/ If you win a pot by making villain fold, your red line will go up slightly less than it would if there was no rake.

That makes more sense. Ignore my post, i'm an idiot. :f_drink:


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bbaass
Joined: 02.12.2009

Please let me HUD as in this video. Very competent HUD. I really liked, but I did not find it.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by bbaass
Please let me HUD as in this video. Very competent HUD. I really liked, but I did not find it.

https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=237270

There is a free version and a paid version


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bbaass
Joined: 02.12.2009

THANK you so much, w34z3l!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So quickly answered. I did not expect !!!


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Thank you very much for this series, it already feels that it's going to be incredibly valuable!

Here is my homework regarding the red-line rampage series:

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1) Myth and realities

I feel that my biggest problems are calling too many weak hands preflop (vs a raise, a 3bet, or even a 4bet) and ending up folding them after the flop. Or maybe I'm not playing aggressively enough. I should be 3betting more as well.

2)Printing money preflop

Using w34z3l's methods to find out the strongest hands I'm folding I saw that vs a CO open I was folding stuff like AA/AK and other premiums. So it means that I timeout too often and that I should either play less tables and/or avoid distractions. Maybe it's a good idea to go from 6 to 4 tables for a while, during the learning process, and of course no more YouTube/forums/Skype while playing.

That being said I saw that I regularly fold hands like AT on the button vs a CO open, these kind of hands can clearly go into my 3betting range. I will also 3bet more offsuit broadways and call the suited ones. The reasons behind this are:

a) When I call I'll play without initiative so hands that have more playability are better
b) I run the risk of getting a call from SB and/or BB, and a hand like KJs plays better in a MW than KJo
c) I open the spot for a squeeze, I prefer to hold QJs than QJo if it goes SB folds, BB squeezes, CO calls, Hero...


Filters: Hero is BT, 1 Raiser on the CO, all pairs, all suited broadways, A9s, most broadways.

So I clearly need to pay more attention to the tables, folding hands like AA/AK/QQ is not really acceptable. Moreover, if I'm folding AA preflop I'm certainly making similar mistakes after the flop, and on top of folding strong hands I must be too passive whenever I read forums/talk on Skype and look at my hand strength, I'm probably thinking "oh well, he bets and I have a weak hand. I fold".

3) Blind Efficiency

So this is interesting. I guess preflop I'm fine-ish, I could be 3 betting more and probably cold call less. It's not perfect but very good compared to the post-flop leaks I have. I have a WWSF of 41%, and the Hero in the video had 42,6 and w34z3l said in was very low! He said as well that the "flop raise cbet" should be around 20% and I have 5.8%. Basically I'm sticky and annoying preflop but that doesn't really matter as I'm relatively easy to play against after the flop, I'm folding too much and not raising enough.

BB vs SB play: I believe my winrate is decent there, I defend over 50% of my hands and make -19bb/100. It may even mean that I should defend wider, because if I fold I lose -100bb/100, though if I call and lose -80bb/100 with weak hands it's still very profitable. But I'm exploitable vs cbets, basically some villain could 3 barrel ATC and I'm folding enough on every street to make it profitable for him. My W$WSF is <40 as well, which is very low.

BB vs SB

And now the BB vs BT play. I lose more, I'm tighter, but I fold even more on the flop and river. My W$WSF is even lower. I forgot to add it to the screenshot but my "flop raise cbet" is 5.85% here. I guess again I could be 3betting more but the main problem seems to be after the flop. But how can I put my opponent in tough spots when :

a) His range is stronger
b) I don't have initiative (thus a capped range)
c) I'm OOP? (BB vs BT play)

BB vs BT

Hopefully I will have answers in the "Question Time" video. There might be other problems as well.

I'm thinking that I could be CC'ing too much, w34z3l says 11-13% CC is standard and I'm at 17.6%, which is about 50% more.


CC% per position

Now let's see when I have CC=true. My MP and CO CC feels too high, how could I flat a 12.3% range vs UTG with 4 players left to act? Sure, sometimes I flat AA/KK but I'm still left with a bunch of relatively weak hands.

CC is true

As we can see, I have a very low W$WSF, and I fold a lot to cbets. I decided to run the same filter, and I just removed JJ+:


CC is true, excluding JJ+

Aha! So I guess that's good news. Last year I lost money in every position except BT when I was cold calling TT-/AK-. I mean that it's good news in the sense that I have found something to work on. I need to reduce the hand range with which I cold call preflop, and I will automatically lose less money and have a better redline, simply be folding. It will also help me focus on my other tables and I won't fold the ATo OTB vs CO open anymore :D, so it's a win/win/win situation!

4) Multi-way pots

I feel I play decent in MW pots, vs PFR at least. I may not cbet often enough, for example he said he'd cbet the A3hh on the Q84h board BT vs SB+BB, saying we have BD draws, but that feels super loose to me. Maybe we get a ton of credit on our 2nd barrel as well, not like HU play, I'll experiment cbetting more flops.

Hero is PFR in single raised pots 3-way

Though when PFR and facing a 3bet I have a very low winrate, I'm at -278bb/100 OTB, which means that I lost more with hands compared to a call, given that my standard is to open 2.5x. So it's back to calling too much 3bets with weak hands and being pushed out of the pot.

Bonus) Question Time

Well it was good though nothing that really answered my questions, I should have started to work on my game earlier!

5) Free Money

Wow... I just checked my graphs with the first filter of the video (IP and villain checks twice to us and we check back twice) and I'm losing a lot of money when it goes xx flop and turn. Though when I bet I make a lot more. It's quite crazy.


It gets checked twice to me and I check back

And...

It gets checked twice to me and I bet turn

So this is a big thing!

And when it goes xx flop and I'm OOP:

  • I made 142BI out of 3500 hands when I bet, that's roughly 40BI per 1k hands or 400bb/100 winrate.
  • I made 21BI out of 5.8k hands, so 36,6bb/100.

So this is some big discovery. I guess all this time I was afraid to face balanced villains, like, it became quite standard to check back hands like A2 on Axx, or that they won't fold the JJ on Q9xx vs 2 barrels, and that if they call 2 barrels I will run vs KK/Q2/etc. I will experiment with that during the next few weeks.

I have a few questions:

What do you recommend to watch regarding 3betting/CC'ing MP/CO/BT?
How are we supposed to defend over 50% vs BT that opens 50% and prevent him from auto profiting IP? In one of your videos your suggested a 48% calling range vs BT, and it didn't include the premiums nor 3bet bluffs, meaning that we defend over 50%, with a capped range, OOP, without initiative.

Edit: My "profile": been playing 100NL for 2 years now, lowish WR and I want to move up.


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Bodrello
Joined: 27.09.2009

Hello, my friend!

It ia just my 1'st homework. I saw your first video series and want to repeat some of videos. But now i want to recieve more information, so i started to see your second series. My distance is not big. I started studing 6max strategy by your videos in January. So, i have:




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Svinhugg
Joined: 20.08.2013

This video serie is great. I haven't been studying to hard but my red line IS improving.

Comparing with my all-time curve where my green line is a couple of hundred dollars up but my red line is 4000 dollars down! Even if I'm only playing for fun it is at least 2000 dollars there that I actually could have had use for.

This last video was a bit hard for me to digest. These filters reveals major leaks in my gameplay but I don't really now where to start. One part I did understand before was that I sort of neglect that I'm in the Big blind is out of position towards CO and BTN but in position of the Small Blind. But I didn't know that it was as bad as it is. It is not a leak - it's a gigantic hole.

But it is great to get started with it. This picture of the weasel that rides on a woodpecker make some sense.


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Antonit
Joined: 13.03.2013

The author, these concepts are relevant to the full ring tables? Or maybe I should go play 6max tables? I still play NL5 4bb/100 full ring . And I would like more.


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dan1802
Joined: 16.06.2012

hey, i just started with the series, but i have some problems to figure out in wich order to watch them as the vids are not shown with numbers when i search for them. maybe someone can link the correct videos to the first page.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

If you search for "rampage" the videos are shown in order. The only difficulty is that there is no differentiation made between the strategy vids and the live-coachings. The live coachings are extra and not directly part of the series.


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janmajay1027
Joined: 23.11.2014

jj:f_drink:


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

I have a few questions:

What do you recommend to watch regarding 3betting/CC'ing MP/CO/BT?
How are we supposed to defend over 50% vs BT that opens 50% and prevent him from auto profiting IP? In one of your videos your suggested a 48% calling range vs BT, and it didn't include the premiums nor 3bet bluffs, meaning that we defend over 50%, with a capped range, OOP, without initiative.

Edit: My "profile": been playing 100NL for 2 years now, lowish WR and I want to move up.

So firstly we'd only be defending close to a 50% range BB vs BTN if villain was coming in for a min-raise. Vs 2.5x open it should be about 31% cold-call. Vs a 3x open it will be an even tighter defending range.

Also one thing that was slightly brushed over on the series -----> It's actually completely fine to give villain a small amount of automatic profit when we are facing a cbet OOP. This is correct from a GTO point of view since we have an inherent disadvantage being OOP. However in position we should overdefend seeing as we are the ones with the inherent advantage.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by Prodigy237
I would appreciate your comments / feedback and look forward to the next video in the series.

Looks like a huge improvement, is the red-line continuing this way?


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Keep the homeworks coming guys and let me know if I missed any of your questions.


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marcosmartinez
Joined: 03.07.2013

Hi w34z3l, im a red-line looser (like 8bb/100 or so), im trying to attack more the check calling ranges

could yo give me an opinion of this hand?

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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $47.49 (190 bb)
BB: $64.91 (259.6 bb)
UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $53.37 (213.5 bb)
MP1: $27.84 (111.4 bb)
MP2: $44.55 (178.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): $28.37 (113.5 bb)
CO: $25.84 (103.4 bb)
BTN: $21.53 (86.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 9 Q 7 (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $1, UTG+2 calls $1

Turn: ($3.85) 2 (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $2.75, UTG+2 calls $2.75

River: ($9.35) Q (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $6

Hi

Villain 17/12

or utg 8%

check fold flop 45, check fold turn 45, fold to river bet 58

wtsd 26, w$sd 49, wwsf 48

cbet flop 39

pf he is folding too much so i decide to flat

i think he is xcalling TT-JJ here and prolly some KK+ combos given his low cbet, maybe some weaks QX but there arent a lot of combos in a 8% OR

im repping FH, KQ/AQ do u think he must fold 2nd pairs, KK-AA and some QT QJ combos if he have them?

regards


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patuxz
Joined: 23.05.2014

Hey. I'm a small stakes player, 100nl-200nl. I'm doing fine otherwise, but my red line is leaking at around -18.5bb/100. I'm going to try out this video series to fix my red line, instead of getting expensive coaching.

My stats are improving every month. This month I have had close to 8% 3-bet, 6.15% squeeze, FT3B 57.3% and FTCB flop 46.5%

Reasons for the poor red line:

  • Preflop: stealing blinds is no longer auto-profit at small stakes. When you steal blinds you will face a lot of 3-bets , so optimal opening & defense strategy must be constructed. Same goes for post-flop.
  • I fold a ton on the river, and it's partially good so. Vs fish I have started to call down lighter. I make tight folds against aggro regs that I probably shouldn't make.
  • Not enough exploitative strategies. I play a lot of tables and tend to focus on just playing solid and bumhunting (playing against the fish and not so much against the regs).
  • Somewhat passive style in 3-bet pots as a caller, but I don't think it's a big leak.
  • I haven't studied bluffing spots enough. I am very lazy when it comes to bluffing. I rather not bluff and I overvalue showdown value.
  • I do make thin vbets a lot whenever possible. But I almost never bluff raise river, like when opponent could be betting thinly.
  • I almost never try to make my opponent fold a big hand. This is what Gordon Gekko teaches. I look out for 3/5 bluffing spots or better.

Conclusion: More exploitative bluffs are needed, and more bluffs overall.

Homework:

Spoiler

Blind efficiency:
I notice that I am folding these hands vs min-raise:
A2o-A6o
K2o-K7o
J7o (probably the bottom of our Jx defending range)
T8o I would call still. T7o is probably too loose for me.
T2s-T6s, J2s-J6s
87o 76o 56o. Can 3-bet or call mr. I don't think it's the end of the world to fold these, but we can mix in some light 3-bets vs right opponents.
75o 64o I think these are too loose for me.
62s 63s 42s 32s etc. These hands are pretty trashy but I guess the GTO experts would call these

I also made and ran filters for hands which I folded in the BB against EP open. This should help me construct my blind defence better, as folding is -100bb/100.

Flop fighter
BvB:
Float flop 67.4%. WSD 53.7%. WWSF 47.5% (should be higher). Fold to F cbet 37.2%. 2-bet flop 15.3%.
These seem ok stats considering that I call close to ~38%. 3-bet 16% last month. Could probably get flop raise up a little bit, since I typically just flat second pairs.
BB vs BTN:
WSD 65.3%. WWSF 46%. Fold to F cbet was 48.6% last month, which is too high. Month before that it was 41%. It could be a result of me calling wider in the BB.
Xr flop is 11.5% last month which is too low. Month before that it was up to 19%. This is definitely something I can work on. I got a little lazy with check raising.
VS UTG/MP open: I check/raise 13.9% which is reasonable since I have a tighter range. Also fold to F cbet 33.7%
Conclusion: Need to work on check/raising and raising in position. These are both topics I would want to get coaching on. Getting the number up a bit is worthless unless we know what to do if we get called.


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Kony76
Joined: 29.10.2010

Hi Weasel.

I justo started to watch th red line rampage serie.

How is the best way to post the homeworks, and to update them as I go through the serie?

I play NL25 Regular tables. I used to play FR, but now I am trying to switch to SH.


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Prognostikon
Joined: 26.07.2010

Hello from Ukraine. Sorry for my English. I'm micro-stakes player nl5-nl10sh. I'm going to learn the whole course. Thanks for your outstanding work. Here is graph from the last month.

First homework

I have problems with:

  • Postflop game in 3bets/4bets pots via weak players, whose don't enough folding facing this bets
  • My game in SB and BB position is pretty awful
    Spoiler

  • I'm to much folding via cbets on Flop (55%)
  • I don't know how to play in 4bets pots
  • I don't understand how to defend my range and how to bluff correctly

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OnuRonaldo
Joined: 02.03.2011

Hello from Czech Republic.I just noticed the series and watched first video.I like it much though.Here I posted my Pokerstars graph.Hands are from NL25 6max. and NL50 6 max.Nowadays I'm playing at Party Poker and I don't have enough hand sample to talk about it.

Here are some of my weaknesses...

I don't have proper blind defend strategy.
I fold to cbets way too much on flops(Around %60)
I play OOP 3bet pots much.
I play passive in multiway pots.
I don't barrel turns and rivers much as a bluff.
Folding too much to 3bets.Both IP and OOP
Missing good bluff spots.

I'll try to fix that leaks and I'll keep the post updated.Cheers :f_drink:


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