KK in SB

Bet turn instead. There still hands you take value from.

Originally posted by nitrol
Bet turn instead. There still hands you take value from.

This and/or bet river bigger. He might shove as a bluff. As played, I'd fold too.

I think we have to bet the turn, for sure. As played, I would also bet the river bigger. This way he might be tempted to bluff, but then we can't be sure that he is actually bluffing and probably have to fold. Maybe we could check/call the river, if we decided to play safely?

If you bet turn the stacks on river will be so that you would make a standard bet. What worse will bet there after you bet the turn?

Originally posted by nitrol
If you bet turn the stacks on river will be so that you would make a standard bet. What worse will bet there after you bet the turn?

So, if we bet the turn, we will have about 1/2 of pot to bet on the river. Not sure I understand this - "what worse will bet there"? If he raise our turn bet, we can fold, if we assume that he always has a flush. Or we can call, if he might have some bluffs or worse hands. Even if we call and he has a flush, we still have outs. If he calls our bet on the turn, I would bet that 1/2 on the river. In addition, I think we agreed in one of previous hands here that the flushdraws are not big issue in 3bet pots, so why would we be affraid now of flushes on the turn/river?

You said that maybe x/call river is ok. I asked you what worse hands will bet after you check?

That river bet achieves nothing. Bet turn, shove river for me. What flushes make any sort of sense given we have the K and the J is out there? Specifically AsTs/AsQs? I'm not folding here.

It's a question not a criticism by the way.

As played never folding river, definately bet turn.

Originally posted by nitrol
You said that maybe x/call river is ok. I asked you what worse hands will bet after you check?

That was just a question, I wouldn't check the river. Checking doesn't have sense to me. We will lose against flushes anyway, either we bet or check/call. If we assume that he wont bet nor call worse hands ever, we could potentionally check/fold, but I would say it would be extreme.