Tim64 Live Jackpot/Spin/Twister Coachings - Strategy & Live Play

Wow sos un crusher amigo!
Felicitaciones

Can we see separate chip EV graphs for each BI level, please?

Sure, why not

BI < $11

BI >$11 & < $35

BI > $35

Many thanks on the graph, and, btw, congrats on the $10K month!

(I have such an allergy on monetary graphs that I totally overlooked the first time around what a load of money you've actually won You're of course not a random luckbox, you totally deserve the success you've had.)

:f_thumbsup::f_thumbsup::f_thumbsup:

Congrats and thanks for the information in the vids.

congrtatulations the Tim. I´m just starting Spin ~Go with your videos etc, I come from fixed limit which has very few players nowadays in Spain. I find your material great for the moment!

Hello buddy,
it's great you share your strategy and try to help people but your ranges unfortunately contain huge mistakes. You should work on it harder. ~40 ev chips/game(if your games take up average amount of hands) at 60s is worse than mediocre result of population of regular players. I don't want to rubbish you. First of all start with filters for your bottom range from the SB vs BTN fold - I bet those hands aren't even close to -50bb/100(you play too tight). We've got already over 20 players at 60s and any of them has <40 ev chips/game. If you want to know something more about Spin n Go strategy feel free to find our initiative on 2+2 in staking forum(I'm FCDplayer_PL and other founders are killuifuplay, IJustGamble and bakudranski).
Good luck at the tables!

Thanks for your feedback, Bielanek. I'm constantly working to improve my game and will certainly take a look at your suggestions.

However, I never said that the ranges here were optimal for 60s nor tried to imply that everyone should use them blindly regardless of their skill level. They were designed as a starting point for people new to the format playing at the micros with modest post flop skills.

That said, coming as a 9mx/ 6mx player we always did have a tendency to play very tight from the blinds which of course isn't possible in Spins, so surely I have more work to do.

Thanks again for dropping by though, in future, I'm not sure this is the best place to plug your own commercial staking operation.

Hi Tim,

Could you please tell me your results by position on % ( % of 3rd place, 2nd, 1st); and what do you think are optimal results in positions, obviously we have the general idea of 37% on 1st. If i can get no diference between 2nd and 1st, do you think i have to improve this part of HU, i ahve a value of 26,77% 3rd place.

Thanks

Hi Tim, i am going to paste a post i did about ROI on Fulltilt and Pokerstars, i think it is interesting. The problem is it is in Spanish (sorry if it is against rules). If you see a mistake thanks for correct me:

original de aeusse
Analizando un poco la situacion y creyendo siempre que era mas rentable jugar en Fulltilt me decidi a hacer los calculos. Desde mi experiencia el juego en Fulltilt es mas facil y el Chips EV generalmente es mayor por el tipo de jugadores (segun la experiencia tambien de otros jugadores), y al mirar que el rake alli es menor, solo 5%, asumi que seria mucho mas rentable jugar alli; mayor chips EV y menor Rake.

Ahora haciendo el calculo teniendo en cuenta la distribucion de los torneos y partiendo de la idea que el objetivo de cualquier regular debe ser hacer ganancias sin tener en cuenta los grandes multiplicadores, me puse a calcular con las opciones reales de los multiplicadores que se pueden obtener teniendo en centa 3 escenarios: uno algo negativo (pocos multiplicadores), una algo mas realista (multiplicadores medios que se pueden conseguir en algunos meses con buen volumen), y una un poco mas positiva (que podria no darse ya que si la suerte no te favorece te puedes pasar un año sin verlos); en ninguna de las dos incluyo los dos maximos multiplicadores. (Si alqguien encuentra un error en mis calculos estare complacido de que me lo haga saber).

Para fulttilt incluyo en cada escenario 3 opciones de ITM: 37% que es por general la meta de muchos jugadores, el punto de BreakEven, y mi EVITM en FullTilt que es 38,42%:

1er Escenario: incluyo solo los multiplicadores hasta 10x, es la version mas negativa, pero muy realista en menos de 2.000 juegos:

2do Escenario: Incluyo los multiplicadores hasta 20x, es una version muy realista para un juego entre 1.000 a 10.000 torneos, donde facilmente podrias perderte de multiplicadores mayores pero seguro la muestra seria pareja hasta el 20x:

3er Escenario: Incluyo multiplicadorees hasta 100x, posiblemente en 10.000 torneos alcances a jugar los 3 que "te tocan" pero con mala suerte necesitaras unos 50.000 para que la muestra sea real; este es el escenario mas positivo pero algo irreal de contar con el ya que se hace muy dificil lograr el volumen necesario en un año para tomar la muestra como verdadera:

Si aqui aplicamos el modelo de Chips EV, en Fulltilt tenemos un EVROI mayor que Pokerstars, pero al mirar la distribucion de torneos es mucho menor la rentabilidad y cualquier regular de la modalidad debe tener una medida mas realista. Tomando el termino medio con un ITM de 38% podriamos tener un ROI real de 2,45%.

Para Pokerstars maneje la misma metodologia, tomando los Spins de $3 o $7 con Rake de 6%; aqui incluyo 3 opciones de ITM: 37% como meta de muchos jugadores, punto de Break Even, y 38% como un ITM de muy buenos jugadores:

1er Escenario: el mas negativo pero realista en poco volumen:

2do Escenario: el mas realista para los regulares que puedan alcanzar unos 8.000 a 20.000 juegos anuales:

3er Escenario: igual requiere de una muestra muy grande para ser tomada como validad y es un poco dificil de lograr con distribucion correcta:

En pokerstars con la medida mas realista (2do escenario) con un ITM de 37% (no tan facil, no tan dificil) se obtiene un ROI de 2,14%, algo menor que el 2,45% de Fulltilt con 38% de ITM.

Los comparo asi porque es mas o menos lo que se habla que se puede obtener con la diferencia de juego en ambas plataformas. Seria interesante escuchar todas las opiniones y experiencias al respecto: sobre el juego en ambas salas y sobre los calculos como tal.

If you include rakeback, the required ITMs become significantly lower. Also, when describing the 2nd Stars scenario, you said that regulars play 8K-20K games a year, whereas true grinders can play so many games every month.

Originally posted by tonypmm
If you include rakeback, the required ITMs become significantly lower. Also, when describing the 2nd Stars scenario, you said that regulars play 8K-20K games a year, whereas true grinders can play so many games every month.

Yes, but the Rakeback gives you about 1% ROI, and it is better to be clear of profits only with game.

For big grinders they can play more, but some midtime regulars will have difficult to do more, that is the reason to include 3 scenarios, big grinders know they can take 3rd option.

Hey aeusse, my numbers are 36.13% 1st; 34.54% 2nd; and 29.34% 3rd with ABI $51 and, until now, without Spinwiz. With lower ABI you must surely aim for 37%+ in first. I'm not sure if it matters what is your distribution between 2nd and 3rd since you get no money for either. I would expect in general that winning players will have the smallest % of 3rds because they will make fewer mistakes that cause them to bust out in last position. But in principle you could argue that a style which gets you lots of 1sts and 3rds and fewer 2nds is just as profitable.

I agree with you that if your 1st and 2nd % are the same, working on your HU game will probably show dividends.

I'm afraid I didn't work through your analysis (my Spanish is not up to the task!).

Best wishes!

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See you there.

Ok thank you! Do you think spin and gos are profitable?? And at what stake would you recommend?

Yes, they are definitely beatable; I would start at a low buy-in until you find your way. To play them full time you really need 200BI or more.