MSS KQs 3bpot

Originally posted by Gonchan
Any suggestion?

Just a suggestion, 'cause I am no expert' but if you are short you can over bet the flop

First why do you play shortstacked? You can get an advise if 100BB deep. I think if you play short stacked you must less often do 3bet/folds as with 3 bet you get a big chunk of your stack in and you do not have enough space for maneuvres.

I would generally call this hand preflop, unless the BB is squeeze happy. As played, I would check/fold the river. Given all the previous action, I don't expect him to call nor bet worse.

I have modified the title a little bit, because your playing KQs instead of KK here.
If I play 40bb deep I would call pre-flop as well and most likely check-raise on flop like this o protect your hand.

As played I would check/fold the turn on a reasonable bet. I don’t think he will bet with much worse and you don’t get value with shoving.

Best regards,
SDK1987

Hi guys, ty for replys

GoOnCal1
I want to cb with a bit bluff, overbet wont let it.

nitrol
Because I can make a decision easier considering I hadnt played poker for 1 year.

Alleen86
SDK1987

About preflop call, how is your call range? PP is not good 40bb(if 50bb maybe fine) so broadways suited is main imo.
If so, even after flop, my c/r only represent combo draw or QJ(if we could setmine case change dramatically)
With this range, he wont fold stronger hand( he wont fold TPGK so combo draw's FE is not good) and call weaker hand, how about it?

I'm not sure how to construct cold calling range when short. I supose we can still call some higher pocket pairs, like 99-77 (I believe we are 3betting TT+) and then can call some better broadways like AQo-AJo (or we are 3betting AQ?), AJs-ATs, KQo, KQo, KQs-KJs.

High PPs and high suited broadways.

If BTN has 35% open range(is it standard?),I gonna value 3b 44+,ATs,KJs,QJs+ because enough FE and even 4bed we can call with better ev than 3b/f.( So KQs is 3b/shove in my plan lol it was mistake).

High PP should 3b/shove for value(if BSS, call should be better ev for implied odds but MSS 3b should be better ev), High suited broadway cause dominate and without PP my c/r is not so scared( easy over pair shove at MSS world)

So I basically wont call as MSS,although it has also flaw.

Is there thought flaw?

44-66 are not good for 3 bet/shove.

considering BSS 35% open (22+,A8o+,A2s+,K9o+,K7s+,Q9o+,Q8s+,43s+,65o+,64s+ I used flopzirra 35% range)

How about his open/shove range?( for make easier mathmatically excluding open/call)

If he 4b with 66+,AQo+,ATs+,

Our equity is 33.25% and our pot odds after 3b is 40bb+9bb/31bb=10:6 if pot odds 2:1, we need 33% eq so a bit loose lol

66 vs his shove range 35%, OMG, it is certainly loose shove lololol

if 77, 39% equity so fine.

Certainly , If they 4b pure value hands, I should b/f if 3b.(If in deep, MSS should bluff shove with like A2s+ or 22-55 hands so equity change)Do you have bluff 4b range?

However, my FE is high(430-94/430 is more than 66%) so 3b is profitable..

I'm very glad to hear the view from BSS, ty.

How did you decide that this would be his 4bet range???

To tell the truth, my open range is from jp community coach(200NL+ winner MSSer 1 year ago)

He open BTN 35% range( not same as BSS) and 4b 7% range considering EQ when called and FEQ( there is some bluff 3b)

He said his ftresteal is over 66% but SB and BB wont bluff 3b often against MSS.

You use NL200 range to play NL10?
Not that wise, I think, as these are totally different games.

he used that chart in 50NL so not so weird.

NL50+ are totally different games. For NL10 you must use tighter ranges imo.