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burdiganoasa
Joined: 31.07.2014

iPoker - €0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.59, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 113)
UTG: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 37.84, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 38)
MP: 108.8 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
CO: 49.6 BB (VPIP: 27.18, PFR: 21.36, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 108)
BTN: 136.8 BB (VPIP: 16.86, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 177)
Hero (SB): 48.2 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♠ A♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 5♥ 5♠
Hero bets 6.2 BB, UTG calls 6.2 BB

Turn: (21.4 BB, 2 players) 5♦
Hero checks, UTG bets 10.6 BB, fold

Spoiler

UTG wins 30.6 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have fixed your spoiler. I changed ‘spoil’ in to ‘spoiler’

The CBet looks on the thin side against a passive player like him. I don’t think it will work to often to let him fold a pocket pair. Most likely is checking on flop better here and her-evaluate on further action.

Best regards,
SDK1987


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I believe we have close to zero fold equity on that flop, but we might still be ahead. Anyway, maybe I'm doing wrong, but I tend to check/fold in those situations.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

x/call flop. As played fold turn.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by nitrol
x/call flop. As played fold turn.

What should we do on turn with overcards after we check/call the flop? I guess we are checking again, but generally fold if he bets, right?


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burdiganoasa
Joined: 31.07.2014

TY SDK1987 for fixing my spoiler and others for analyzing my hand. I played with rise after limper and I make c bet on a flop .If on a turn comes overcards I think I will bet again if he check and of cores fold if he bet.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol
x/call flop. As played fold turn.

What should we do on turn with overcards after we check/call the flop? I guess we are checking again, but generally fold if he bets, right?

If we take that line we're just catching some lower than A high bluffs and if he tends to play aggressive (I can't see his AF) he might 2nd barrel turn again and we're still folding it then. I don't like that line, but I'd still prefer it to cbetting flop. He's almost never folding there and if he does we were ahead anyways.
I'd consider just check/folding. Many pockets have us beat and aren't folding so easy and with that VPIP his range also contains a few flush draws and 5s.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Don't let the fish prey on you. That is, don't raise preflop in this spot. You have 0.0001% FE with that sizing and they have position. Fish beat shark when IP.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by YohanN7
Don't let the fish prey on you. That is, don't raise preflop in this spot. You have 0.0001% FE with that sizing and they have position. Fish beat shark when IP.

I'd raise to 5bb pf too, but who cares what fold equity you have. There's maximum one caller, so it's gonna be heads up, and your AJ is very good against his range. Of course we raise pf ...


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

I think AJo is not so good against 37/16's limp range, you have good eq but bad playability oop.

If UTG is 50/15 guys or I'm BTN not SB I may raise but against him, complete maybe better


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

My point is that some of these limpers are actually pretty good at what they are doing, limping and floating to bluff you off on turn or river. In position, I am undoubtedly raising also (with much worse hands too).


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by YohanN7
My point is that some of these limpers are actually pretty good at what they are doing, limping and floating to bluff you off on turn or river. In position, I am undoubtedly raising also (with much worse hands too).

AJo is imo too good to not collect dead money freflop and it's not that bad to play oop vs 1. If he is floating often, then decrease cbetting and increase c/r turn with strong made hands after he called flop cbet. If he doesn't call a lot preflop, be aware that his hand might be strong when he does, but you get a lot of dead money when he doesn't. If he does call almost everything because of position you might have him dominated a lot and get a lot of value when you make a hand because he's trying to complete draws.

Would be interesting to know his limp and pfr % utg though, if it show something unexpected, might have to reevaluate.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

No, there is practically no "dead money" in this pot.

If he holds something like 97s, then he is a big money favorite over your AJ, in despite of you having superior equity. You will win some small ones, and lose most of the big ones.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

I think you're acting like we can't see him play. If he calls a lot of draws we will make him pay until he catches a third suited card or other obvious draws complete. We decide how expensive his draws will be, even when we hold air on the flop. This money is dead if he folds a lot pf, and it's expensive for him if he calls a lot pf. One really has to play spectacularly badly to lose money on average against 79s type hands just because of position.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Nope, and you don't understand the importance of position here. What I say is true already in FL Hold'em. It is even much more true here.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

You can't protect against draws in FL. You can't bet close to pot on A♥:8♥:7♦: type or boards to protect against obvious draws. In NL you decide the price of draws. If he plays a lot of them, he will pay a lot for them and once he hits it get nothing if hero is willing to let go on bad turn/river cards.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

And he can and will bluff you out. Are you prepared to 3-barrel? You are barreling yourself to death here to win a small pot OOP. This "protection bs" is totally useless as he might very well have you beat once he calls your large "protection bets"- Do an exercise in Equilab.

As I said, you'll win some small ones and lose the big ones.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

I'm perfectly willing to 3 barrel or 2nd barrel & call river if he regularly calls my expensive flop and river bets with draws. If he does not, I am not, but then I'm winning small pots and he is winning even less small pots (when he calls / plays back).


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You may be right.

My last defense would be that it is much more difficult to take the aggressive line. Good players should do it, the less experienced players (and experienced fish like me) should probably not build a big pot here because mistakes are magnified by the pot size.


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