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180man 3,50$ R - TT

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ma6inata100
Joined: 03.07.2011

Still Early in the Tournament, No specific info for the player. My Question is should i only call or is better to make a 3-bet ?

PokerStars - $3.19+$0.31|25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

ma6inata100 (MP): 1,576
atish81 (MP+1): 3,022 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Cr1s5t1 (MP+2): 2,726 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
kalelo16 (CO): 2,962 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
diplimatao (BTN): 3,124 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 22)
Maudlin85 (SB): 2,891 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Protspriest (BB): 964 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Jonatanko (UTG): 1,472 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
Saschahe78 (UTG+1): 3,763 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 13)

9 players post ante of 6, Maudlin85 posts SB 25, Protspriest posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 129) ma6inata100 has T♠ T♣

fold, Saschahe78 raises to 100, ma6inata100 = ?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You’re not deep enough to call for set value only if you use the ‘Call 20’ rule and it’s also likely you get in a multi way pot often if you only call.
I would make a 3 bet to 250-275 and fold on a 4 bet or shove.

I don’t know if you play those games often, but looks like you didn’t make a re-buy at the start of the tournament. I could be wrong with that off course.

Best regards,
SDK1987


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ma6inata100
Joined: 03.07.2011

I just started to play them, and i am new in this games. I don't make a re-buy at the start of the tournament. I play with one buy-in and if i got to add-on i make it.
Are you suggesting to start the tournament with double stack ?

Yes ‘Call 20’ rule can not be apply to this situation. I have called to keep pot small and hope for a smaller card on the flop.

I would make a 3 bet to 250-275 and fold on a 4 bet or shove.

I will take notice and this is the best play i guess.

P.S i will published more hands from this format today and in the near future. Thanks for the analysis.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I expect it would increase you’re changes to get far in the tournament. Also if you have a edge on the players you can win more chips against them If they started with 3k as well.
In the end it’s you’re decision what works the best for you.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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alenstrat
Joined: 13.03.2009

I think this is black or white there is no grey, only fish are in the grey area. Don't play rebuy tournaments if you're not double rebuying at the start and not willing to double rebuy if your lose your stack. If you're not playing the tournament to win, don't play at all. Playing to win means you're double rebuying from the start to maximize your chance of getting the biggest stack possible.

If you want to take a shot above the buyin you're commonly playing take a shot at a $5 or $10 tourney with no rebuy. A $3.50 can cost $35 in buyins on a bad day and in average will cost you around $10.50-$17.50. If you're not willing to rebuy, don't play them at all. If you're normally playing $2-$3 MTTs even the $1 rebuys are probably beyond safe bankroll management (you'll spend $5-$7 in average on a $1+R).


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NutzAreOk
Joined: 28.01.2011

So this is rebuy and we have 32bb (not double stack) at early stage. Because the fact that hero has not made a rebuy at the beginning I would incline to gamble a bit in this situation and try to double up that way. If we want to play that way, 3bet-call is also an option. So if we want to gamble we could either 3bet-call or 3bet shove. That way we might sometimes end up against AJ+ if opponent also wants to gamble a bit and is willing to rebuy.


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ma6inata100
Joined: 03.07.2011

I am not 100% agree with alenstrat. Especially for this kind of tournaments. I do not see no point to make rebuy when the blinds are 50/100 or more. For me in this occasion is better to invest this 3,50$ in new tournament. And buying 75 BB instead of 15 or less. And i don not agree that we should do endless rebuys when we playing such a tournament.
For double rebuying at the start of the tournament it can be reasonable and helpful i agree and i will consider this, and may be in near future i will start doing it.
Thanks for all the opinion that are written. :)


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alenstrat
Joined: 13.03.2009

Originally posted by ma6inata100
I am not 100% agree with alenstrat. Especially for this kind of tournaments. I do not see no point to make rebuy when the blinds are 50/100 or more. For me in this occasion is better to invest this 3,50$ in new tournament. And buying 75 BB instead of 15 or less. And i don not agree that we should do endless rebuys when we playing such a tournament.
For double rebuying at the start of the tournament it can be reasonable and helpful i agree and i will consider this, and may be in near future i will start doing it.
Thanks for all the opinion that are written. :)

I had never really thought about whether it's worth it or not to rebuy for example when you have less then 20 bb and have to ship the first hand you get. Interesting point. I do think if one plays rebuy tourneys one does it with the mindset that you'll rebuy all the times you think are necessary, because you think you have an edge and the way you achieve a sizable stack at the moment the rebuy period is over doesn't really matter, it makes no difference if the stack was made early on or late in the rebuy period, what matters is having the amount of chips you need to play the important part of the tourney which is when rebuy is over. That's at least my thinking. BTW sorry about calling you indirectly a fish, but I think most experienced MTT players will agree that if you play these it's pretty much assumed you start with a double rebuy.


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